Corbynomics: A Dystopia

westernpromise

davomcdave wrote: »

The best we can hope for is that he destroys the Left for a generation as Foot did before him.

The great thing about Yeremiy is that he says out loud what much of the Labour Party actually thinks. It's not that Labour sincerely agrees that wrecking the country a la Venezuela is genuinely a bad thing. They just get, mostly, that saying so loses elections. So you say something different, and then once in power, you drop the mask, go ahead and wreck the country.

As such, even after he's gone Khorbiyn's going to provide a huge amount of ammunition for the Tories. Let's face it, as ex-Labour leader, he's not going to shut up, is he? He'll keep popping up in the press and on TV, damaging Labour by voicing stupid evil opinions that the Tories will accurately identify as indicative of what Labour actually thinks and intends because 61% of the party voted for him. Who can forget Neil Kinnock on the TV as the 2015 election unfolded, scolding the voters for stupidly and wickedly not voting Labour, just as he did in 1987 and 1992? That'll be Khorbiyn, only far more damaging.

It took Labour 15 years even to come up with an electable leader last time. But even then, Blair wasn't a Labouroid who had genuinely repented. He was just a pious, sanctimonious yet wholly unprincipled egomaniac who had worked out that there was a franchise for a centre-left party that appeared not to hate the middle classes, and that he could be its leader. So that was the space he occupied. Had there been a franchise for a Jew-hating Marxist party, he'd have turned Labour into that, which is what Khorbiyn is now managing to do. There is no such franchise, as Labour's 24% poll scores show, but there isn't a space in the centre either, because the Tories are all over it. So this time I reckon Labour is looking at a long, long time in the wilderness - thank God.

davomcdave

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of love for left wing nut jobs in the media and in particular from other left wing not jobs, just look at Trudeau eulogising Castro.

You can see what a great man Castro was by the huge numbers of Americans that tried to travel from Florida to Cuba on inflatable mattresses.


Some Americans seeking a better life in Cuba

setmefree2

mrginge wrote: »

I've got Bupa through work

Any good?

I have Vitality PHI but I've never used it - not even sure what we are covered for. I must check.

mrginge

setmefree2 wrote: »

Any good?

I have Vitality PHI but I've never used it - not even sure what we are covered for. I must check.

We've used it on a couple of occasions for relatively minor stuff. Both times been spot on. Appointments, scans, treatment all sorted. No messing around.

problem is though that you can't scale that level of performance up to NHS levels without introducing a lot of inefficiency and bureaucracy. And you can't just decentralise the NHS without losing the economies of scale.

What i know we can't do is just keep chucking more money at the same model.

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StevieJ

mrginge wrote: »

Maybe the young should get out and vote then?

Triple lock is a shambles and should go agreed, but won't cost anything soon lol.
£5 billion to scrap all pensioner benefits - is that enough? Are we scrapping for all or means testing them? TBH I doubt the knock on costs will make a real net contribution here.

Income tax increases for the elderly fair enough. Let's do it. It's quite possibly a breach of equality legislation, but we can work round that.

2p on income tax for the whole of the uk will raise about 10bn. If we just apply that to rich pensioners, how much is that going to generate?

National insurance? you could always apply it to pensioners as well as working taxpayers. Seems quite equal to me:)

setmefree2

mrginge wrote: »

We've used it on a couple of occasions for relatively minor stuff. Both times been spot on. Appointments, scans, treatment all sorted. No messing around.

Did you get referred by an NHS GP? Did you tell your GP you wanted to go private ?

I'm guessing the PHI helps to get diagnosis etc quicker? I did use the NHS for something minor a few years back and I had to wait about 5 hours at Imperial. TBH it was all very British and every body was very jovial. The situation sounds like it has got worse however so I would try to go private probably in future (and let's face it a 5 hour weight is pretty bad).

mrginge

setmefree2 wrote: »

Did you get referred by an NHS GP? Did you tell your GP you wanted to go private ?

I'm guessing the PHI helps to get diagnosis etc quicker? I did use the NHS for something minor a few years back and I had to wait about 5 hours at Imperial. TBH it was all very British and every body was very jovial. The situation sounds like it has got worse however so I would try to go private probably in future (and let's face it a 5 hour weight is pretty bad).

Last time the OH spoke to bupa, they authorised a consultancy to start with and asked for a GP referral, she picked a consultant, went to GP who wrote to the consultant, by which time she'd booked an appointment.
Consultant gave some options and she was back and forth a couple of times as a result. Each time bupa authorised it straight away. No delays.

wotsthat

I hardly go to my GP. I think the last two times have been a long term lower back issue and an achilles problem. On both occasions I was asked if I had Bupa. The second time I asked if my answer would materially affect diagnosis/ treatment plans. He coughed and spluttered and said of course not but was obviously lying.

My issues weren't problematic enough for his budget but I suspect might have warranted the spending of Bupa's money.

davomcdave

The latest opinion polling is looking increasingly poor for Labour:

https://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/

Con 44% (+2)
Lab 26% (-1)
Tiresome Others (xx%) (+/-who cares)

ICM in it's different forms has been around since 1983. Since then Labour's lowest ever polling number was 25% and the Tories' highest was 47.5%. It's looking far from the realms of possibility that will be breached in the coming months. Heck for Labour that 25% is well within the margin of error of +/-3%.

If you look at the tables on page 2:

https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2017_guardian_feb2_poll.pdf

51% of social classes D&E (people that get most or all of their money from benefits) say they are certain to vote yet only 8% actually voted last time. The numbers are similar for the C2 group (mostly unskilled workers). Those are the only two social groups where more than a fifth of respondents said they'd vote Labour. Even then more DEs intend to vote Tory than vote Labour.

chris_m

davomcdave wrote: »

The latest opinion polling is looking increasingly poor for Labour:

But you are forgetting that Labour has over 500K members, more than any other party in Europe. According to the Corbynistas, that will trump any opinion poll results.
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