Corbynomics: A Dystopia

mrginge

posh*spice wrote: »

As i said it's a choice - there are enough boomers spending money on two plus holidays a year.

Nobody currently has to make that choice if they don't want to.

How do you propose we should make them choose?

ukcarper

posh*spice wrote: »

As i said it's a choice - there are enough boomers spending money on two plus holidays a year.

Remember what Queen Elizabeth 1st said on her death bed? "All my possessions for a moment of time ".

For boomers it will be "all my chinese crap for a moment of time"

How many are spending over £2000 a year on holidays I don't and I'd be extremely lucky to get health insurance for £2000.

posh*spice

ukcarper wrote: »

How many are spending over £2000 a year on holidays I don't and I'd be extremely lucky to get health insurance for £2000.

Enough. Anyway its a choice.

I have not good experiences of the NHS even in good times. In 2013 my father went to A + E and was told he had gallstones and was discharged - he was actually having a heart attack and died. My mum had an equally rubbish outcome with cancer and died at 68. My FIL died at 60 with a treatable type of TB which went undiagnosed.

If that's the quality of care in good times - I dread to think how !!!! it will get over the next 20 years.

If you have a pre-existing condition - it would still be better for you if those who can afford it go private - it'll take some of the strain of the nhs.

ukcarper

posh*spice wrote: »

Enough. Anyway its a choice.

I have not good experiences of the NHS even in good times. In 2013 my father went to A + E and was told he had gallstones and was discharged - he was actually having a heart attack and died. My mum had an equally rubbish outcome with cancer and died at 68. My FIL died at 60 with a treatable type of TB which went undiagnosed.

If that's the quality of care in good times - I dread to think how !!!! it will get over the next 20 years.

If you have a pre-existing condition - it would still be better for you if those who can afford it go private - it'll take some of the strain of the nhs.

My experience of NHS has been better and I think for the majority of people the outcome is good. That's not to say improvements aren't needed but the fact remains that we spend less on health care than similar countries.

As for taking out private health insurance you can easily say that it would be better for those that can't afford it, if those than can afford it do but that's true of any age.

setmefree2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Germany's model faces a crisis of it's own as the population rapidly ages. In fact Germany has the oldest population in Europe.

Indeed it is already.

Understandably, Mr Hunt stressed that the NHS was not alone in experiencing pressures of rising patient numbers and that French and German hospitals were under strain this winter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38921013

It's strange because these problems in France and Germany are widely reported on UK available news channels such as Euronews and France 24 but never reported in the British press - it's reported as if its a peculiarly British problem.

Struggling to Care: Hospitals in Crisis Across Europe

http://www.euronews.com/2017/01/12/struggling-to-care-hospitals-in-crisis-across-europe

setmefree2

ukcarper wrote: »

My experience of NHS has been better and I think for the majority of people the outcome is good. That's not to say improvements aren't needed but the fact remains that we spend less on health care than similar countries.

As for taking out private health insurance you can easily say that it would be better for those that can't afford it, if those than can afford it do but that's true of any age.

Hmmmm. Have you seen our cancer statistics? Heart attack survival rates?

I get private health insurance through work. If things stay as they are I will extend it into retirement. I'm the tail end of the baby boomer generation - however, I'm in that peak around about 1965.

ukcarper

setmefree2 wrote: »

Hmmmm. Have you seen our cancer statistics? Heart attack survival rates?

I get private health insurance through work. If things stay as they are I will extend it into retirement. I'm the tail end of the baby boomer generation - however, I'm in that peak around about 1965.

Yes and they are better in other countries that in general spend a larger percentage of gdp on Heath care, I believe the main problem with cancer survival is early diagnosis and that certainly needs improvement.

Heart attack survival rates are improving, will your Health insurance cover you for emergency treatment if you have an heart attack.

posh*spice

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes and they are better in other countries that in general spend a larger percentage of gdp on Heath care, I believe the main problem with cancer survival is early diagnosis and that certainly needs improvement.

First you have to get an appointment with a GP, then the GP will always assume you are ill from the cheapest possible illness for the NHS : so if you are having trouble with your lungs : they will assume you have a chest infection before they send you for an expensive battery of tests indicating that you might have cancer. By the time you get passed the GP and see a cancer consultant at a hospital : you have already lost valuable time. This was my Mum's experience and why even though she never smoked or drank she died at 68.

Ditto heart attacks : before you have a heart attack there are often symptoms - waiting to see a GP can cost you valuable time.

Will your Health insurance cover you for emergency treatment if you have an heart attack.

Mine gives me 24/7 access to a GP.

ukcarper

posh*spice wrote: »

First you have to get an appointment with a GP, then the GP will always assume you are ill from the cheapest possible illness for the NHS : so if you are having trouble with your lungs : they will assume you have a chest infection before they send you for an expensive battery of tests indicating that you might have cancer. By the time you get passed the GP and see a cancer consultant at a hospital : you have already lost valuable time. This was my Mum's experience and why even though she never smoked or drank she died at 68.

Ditto heart attacks : before you have a heart attack there are often symptoms - waiting to see a GP can cost you valuable time.




Mine gives me 24/7 access to a GP.

I suppose a lot depends on your GP mine is very good, I went with problems with my stomach the first thing GP did was to book a endoscopy which I had within a month, fortunately in didn't show anything serious. It shouldn't vary by area and that needs to be improved.

If you can afford health insurance quick access to services are one of the main benefits but if you have an heart attack would it cover you or would you have to go to A&E

Moby

posh*spice wrote: »

You posted that you are about to retire on a final salary public sector pension - well why don't you spend some of that money looking after your own health instead of expecting young people to look after you? You must have made plenty in your life time on property - spend some of it instead of free loading of the young who already have enough burdens of their own.

I have spent money on my health via over 32 years of NI contributions? Sorry don't get your point!