Corbynomics: A Dystopia

N1AK

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Oh don't worry they'll be voting next time.

Not how you want though.

They voted this year for something that Corbyn couldn't even manage to pretend to like, or have the spine to openly oppose, and sabotaged the campaign for it.

His policies when they rarely get specific enough not to be meaningless are invariably based on throwing considerable amount of money at something. I'm not a defender of austerity, however I'm sufficiently aware of economics to know you can't viably increase spending on everything all at once.

I can see why he appeals to some as an 'idealist' but to me it seems more like blind optimism and the same kind of appeal that UKIP had based on simple shallow, unrealistic, messages. UKIP were going to get everyone better jobs by getting rid of polish plumbers. Corbyn's going to get rents down by building houses and controlling rent. At least we knew how UKIP said they'd do it, but with Corbyn we have no idea how he's going to fund house building, especially when rent controls almost invariably discourage private investment in house building.

What's so depressing for me is that we are seeing Labour go through the same process as the conservatives did when they wandered in the wilderness because so many of their core voters thought they could win if they just captured enough of the right-wing vote; it took Cameron's comparatively centre-ground campaign in 2010 to get them in.

I actually think that Corbyn losing the leadership election would be even worse for the country. A lot of his supporters will only accept that the country won't elect someone like him when they see it at an election, and if Smith were to win they'd continue to believe that all Labour needs to win is an even more left-wing position.

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

Give me some examples.

Your posting history is the evidence. You come across as right of Atilla the Hun mate.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

They can't stand a meritocracy.



Personal responsibility needs to make a comeback.

Don't generalise about people who are left of centre. The term meritocracy is so generalist as to be basically meaningless?

At the same time I'm quite happy to be taxed enough to provide for the NHS, emergency housing, food, free education for all (although the current Uni financing system is fine by me, do a degree that gets you a job instead of one that won't). I disagree with the way we dish out money as welfare, should be vouchers for the necessities. I also disagree with the way we operate housing welfare, the state shouldn't be going near the private rental sector, and no social housing should be permanent. But that's just my opinion.

Again .....very general,.......... what about defence, what about the environment, energy, transport etc. Do you think current levels of funding for the NHS are sustainable.....I don't. mental health, elderly services are shockingly poor, waiting lists are increasing Re. housing I think the private rental sector is ripping off the tax payer by charging excessive rents which are then paid for through housing benefit. People have to live somewher and in my neck of the woods, (London), a crappy one room bedsit is going for £800 a month???? Rachmann landlords are doing very well. Through my work I see lots of people makings wads of cash, renting out rooms of their properties.....many of the same individuals are on benefits themselves! Yep ....lets leave it to the marketplace:eek:

westernpromise

Moby wrote: »

Your posting history is the evidence. You come across as right of Atilla the Hun mate.

As I pointed out above, to the average Corbynite, so does Liz Kendall. So what? Where you are on the political spectrum is not determined by the prejudices and loathing of hard-left loons, but by what you actually think and believe.

My result in the Political Compass test is here:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=4.63&soc=-0.67

and here I am compared to the parties at the 2015 GE:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015?name=You&ec=4.63&soc=-0.67

which shows that I'm between Labour and the LibDems on the left / right spectrum but a lot less authoritarian than either.

westernpromise

Moby wrote: »

Through my work I see lots of people makings wads of cash

And it makes you very angry and you want it taken away and given to you. Am I right?

cells

Labour source said Mr Corbyn had been 'talking about the economic model that has been applied across the world over the last 25 -30 years… that clearly hasn't delivered in terms of living standards

He and his team must be ignorant beyond hope. The last 25 years has seen a tremendous increase in global wealth and living standards. And the current system he seems to hate is improving peoples lives at a astonishing rate.

Right this instance without an ounce of doubt I know I can never vote for that loon or his team and will do something I never do and that is to encourage the non voters around me to vote against him

gadgetmind

cells wrote: »

And the current system he seems to hate is improving peoples lives at a astonishing rate.

Yes, and that's what the left just can't seem to get their heads around. For anyone prepared to actually get off their backsides and apply themselves, capitalism has worked very well. For the idle and !!!!less it hasn't been as easy a ride, but they are still doing far better than at any previous historical period.

I guess it's quite natural for those living on handouts to vote for more handouts, but I think that gravy train has reached the terminus.

TrickyTree83

gadgetmind wrote: »

Yes, and that's what the left just can't seem to get their heads around. For anyone prepared to actually get off their backsides and apply themselves, capitalism has worked very well. For the idle and !!!!less it hasn't been as easy a ride, but they are still doing far better than at any previous historical period.

I guess it's quite natural for those living on handouts to vote for more handouts, but I think that gravy train has reached the terminus.

We can hope. Perhaps we can all get tax cuts then and not just those on low pay.

westernpromise

A different take on Labour and parasites:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/want-to-know-whats-happened-to-labour-study-parasites/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160910_Weekly_Highlights_36_everyone

ruggedtoast

gadgetmind wrote: »

Yes, and that's what the left just can't seem to get their heads around. For anyone prepared to actually get off their backsides and apply themselves, capitalism has worked very well. For the idle and !!!!less it hasn't been as easy a ride, but they are still doing far better than at any previous historical period.

I guess it's quite natural for those living on handouts to vote for more handouts, but I think that gravy train has reached the terminus.

And again, someone else spouting off about politics who doesn't understand that socialists aren't averse to capitalism because...

Capitalism is not a political ideology