Corbynomics: A Dystopia

TheNickster

Mistermeaner wrote: »

And these people are free too find work elsewhere

And we as free individuals can choose not to give such companies out custom

Its a wonder sports direct are still in business

That depends on what other work is available.

Hobson's choice is not a choice between different employers but between the only available job and the dole.

I cannot see anyone wanting to work for Sports Direct by choice given their conditions of employment therefore there cannot be any other work available.

gadgetmind

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Its a wonder sports direct are still in business

Last week, I went into one of their stores for the first time. It was also the last time. What a dump.

Enterprise_1701C

westernpromise wrote: »

That was Labour actually



Why should the state build houses?



If it's not worth it, don't pay them.



Mid Staffs; 1,200 unnecessary deaths. Labour brought back filthy workhouses where the poor went to die.



Yes, how the parasites hated having to pay for the services they used!



there were none. Public spending went up throughout the Eighties.

the economy boomed after we left the ERM. If it was so great why didn't Labour rejoin it?



He was a corrupt and bloodthirsty liar.



Matched by the even huger deficit increase. It was never paid for. We are paying for it now. We will be paying for decades.

And here was me thinking I was the only one in the country that thought the poll tax was a good idea! The idea that a house with 10 adults in it pays the same as a house with 2 adults in it is somewhat of an anathema to me. Take the household not far from me it contains 6 adults comprising of 2 grandparents, 2 adult kids and their partners, those adult kids both have kids, one has two and one has 3. They choose to live there, they all work but are saving up for their own place. The house is plenty big enough for them all. They pay one lot of council tax, admittedly at a rate higher than ours, but their usage of services is far greater than our use (myself and my partner in one house).

gadgetmind

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

And here was me thinking I was the only one in the country that thought the poll tax was a good idea!

I had a "I <heart> Community Charge" bumper sticker!

The whole thing collapsed because (at least locally) Councils made close to zero attempt to collect it and then levied extra charges on those mugs who actually paid it.

ruggedtoast

gadgetmind wrote: »

I had a "I <heart> Community Charge" bumper sticker!

The whole thing collapsed because (at least locally) Councils made close to zero attempt to collect it and then levied extra charges on those mugs who actually paid it.

No, it collapsed because a flat tax on individuals based on the criteria that they are alive, irrespective of their financial status or income is monstrously unfair and heartless. It's a signal policy of an almost incomprehensibly ignorant, cruel and myopic governance that reduces people to pound signs.

I fully appreciate you aren't capable of understanding why any of this would upset people. As you have pointed out, you're alright which is all that counts.

setmefree2

Filo25 wrote: »

Polling certainly isn't getting any better for Labour anyway.

Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (+2)
LAB: 28% (-)
UKIP: 12% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
[Oth]: 10% (-1)
(via YouGov / 01 - 02 Aug)

Biggest margin for 7 years.

I'm sure the Corbynistas will blame the Blairites.

setmefree2

Jeremy Corbyn to pledge £500bn of spending in leadership speech

His first pledge will be to create 1m good quality jobs by investing £500bn in infrastructure, manufacturing and new industries, supported by a publicly owned national investment bank.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/04/corbyn-to-pledge-500bn-of-spending-in-leadership-speech

Terrifying.

Mind you JC and McDonnell can't even get "on message". Same article.

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme a huge programme of investment was needed, which is backed by business groups such as the CBI.
He said it would be better to borrow because interest rates are so low than go for the “people’s quantitative easing” plan advocated by Corbyn in his last leadership election.

cells

Moby wrote: »

Well I suppose the present time is a very good time to be borrowing to invest.

invest in what?

and why does the government need to do the borrowing or investing, rates have fallen for everyone not just for governments so why don't individuals or companies do the investing?

Robisere

What the people of this country need and, more to the point, deserve, is a united opposition in Westminster, as a brake upon the Party in government.

What we have, is a disunited, quarelling, fractious bunch of muppets who are about as far from real Socialism as was Maggie Thatcher. Or Tony B.Liar, for that matter. It appears to the people that the Labour Party is composed of MP's who cannot agree on anything, especially how to actually frame a united policy and act as opposition.

This leaves the people to contrast the Labour Party with the Conservative Party, which always settles down into a unified approach after any disunity in the ranks. That is how they stay in power, it is how they return to power after being (infrequently) voted out. I come from a Socialist background: my grandfather was a founder-member of the original Independent Labour Party:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Labour_Party

My older brother was a Labour District Councillor who was thrown out of the local party by the Lefties who hated how he worked with Tories to get Social Housing built in the pit village where we grew up. He was re-elected with a massively increased majority as an Independent Labour candidate.

So I am not a fan of the Conservative Party, but what is the alternative? The Labour Party has very few real Socialists left and those are heavily outnumbered by Public Schoolboys and careerists. Corbyn is trying to fight battles that were won and lost decades, even a century, ago. I despair of the Labour Movement, I cannot see it ever returning to power in my lifetime, nor that of my children. This country is becoming a One-Party State by default.

gadgetmind

ruggedtoast wrote: »

No, it collapsed because a flat tax on individuals based on the criteria that they are alive, irrespective of their financial status or income is monstrously unfair and heartless.

Unfair? It's very fair. Each adult pays the same, exactly the same as for all other goods and services.