Corbynomics: A Dystopia

westernpromise

ruggedtoast wrote: »

They haven't been conned. They believe what they want to believe. Namely that it's fine to be a selfish git who puts money before human beings.

As opposed to one who thinks he should be put before everyone else by everyone else.

As I've explained before, this attitude towards your fellow citizens - that they owe you and you hate them - is why you are headed for shattering election defeat over and over and over and over again.

westernpromise

Moby wrote: »

This current 'young' generation will be the victim of the self interested policies of a govmt which puts a triple lock on pensions

That was Labour actually

thinks building houses is just too much to ask

Why should the state build houses?

and is increasing student fees.

If it's not worth it, don't pay them.

The NHS is being downgraded,

Mid Staffs; 1,200 unnecessary deaths. Labour brought back filthy workhouses where the poor went to die.

I remember well the eighties.....the poll tax

Yes, how the parasites hated having to pay for the services they used!

cuts in public spending

there were none. Public spending went up throughout the Eighties.

who could forget the crash after we exited the Exchange Rate Mechanism

the economy boomed after we left the ERM. If it was so great why didn't Labour rejoin it?

Blair came in and changed everything

He was a corrupt and bloodthirsty liar.

that shouldn't obscure the good things that he did, the huge investment in public services etc

Matched by the even huger deficit increase. It was never paid for. We are paying for it now. We will be paying for decades.

gadgetmind

Moby wrote: »

Actually it's the other way round. Every generation has to learn for itself about the Tories.

Agreed, and when they do, most switch from being wet-behind-the-ears lefties to being more thoughtful, less reactionary and slightly right of centre.

I saw "most" because sadly it's not all.

Thrugelmir

Originally Posted by Moby
Actually it's the other way round. Every generation has to learn for itself about the Tories.

Than Labour gets re-elected and reality finally kicks in. The electorate matures and moves to the centre ground.

Jason74

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Than Labour gets re-elected and reality finally kicks in. The electorate matures and moves to the centre ground.

And that's probably the key point here. Extreme anything rarely leads to the best outcomes for people longer term. You need politicians who frame decisions based on what actually works, and a narrow ideological frame work conspires heavily against that. We've seen plenty of bad policy from both main parties over the years that illustrates that point.

Thrugelmir

Jason74 wrote: »

And that's probably the key point here. Extreme anything rarely leads to the best outcomes for people longer term.

Every generation starts off being revolutionary.

BobQ

gadgetmind wrote: »

That covers a range of outcomes depending on how you define the word.
1) Give them pay and working conditions in line with global norms for unskilled people.
2) Pay them the same as those in the UK who can actually be bothered to learn some valuable skills.

There are many people who work because they enjoy want they do, are satisfied with their lot, or appreciate that they have reached as far up the greasy pole as they ever will. These people still want to be treated fairly and with respect. Many employers recognise this but some just take the view that these unambitious souls can be treated badly.

Mistermeaner

And these people are free too find work elsewhere

And we as free individuals can choose not to give such companies out custom

Its a wonder sports direct are still in business

gadgetmind

BobQ wrote: »

These people still want to be treated fairly and with respect.

So keeping out of absolute poverty on a global basis meaning at least $10 per day? Define your terms.

Filo25

Polling certainly isn't getting any better for Labour anyway.

Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (+2)
LAB: 28% (-)
UKIP: 12% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
[Oth]: 10% (-1)
(via YouGov / 01 - 02 Aug)