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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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Again most of your points are specific to your opinions about Jeremy Corbyn as a person, but don't address what is lacking in mainstream politics.
They are absolutely not. They are about the sort of politics that Mr Corbyn has shown himself to support by his own actions.I profoundly disagree with you that Tony Blair had the right idea about anything, other than realising that the Blairite personality cult. a lot of spin, some pop music, and the support of The Sun, amounted to an open goal against John Major; a man who was in many ways, a much more principled and conscientious individual than Blair would know how to be on one of his best days. Maybe if John had had 2 Unlimited singing him a theme tune then things would be different.
Blair did a great job at continuing Thatchers evisceration of the unions, and thus eviscerated, Blairites were able to point to their evisceration and move toward what the PLP actually want, a model where they are funded by donations from big business. Tax breaks for the rich are much easier to deliver on when you get into government than a better standard of living for the poor, after all. Especially if you want have a 140 MPs behind you who are more interested in lucrative directorships for themselves than affordable housing for their constituents.
What Tony Blair realised is that if you tout hard left policies then you will never be elected by Britons as they have a strong dislike of extremist politicians of the left or the right. If, however, you present yourself as a moderate then you can introduce some pretty leftist policies. Tax credits for example are a brilliant piece of political sleight of hand. They are highly re-distributive, lock millions in to a culture of dependency on state aid yet don't even count as government spending as they are counted as being tax not welfare!
That really was an act of genius if you like that sort of thing.I agree with you the Labour is finished in its current incarnation, Jeremy Corbyn will be around for a while, but the Party will not be returning to what the Blairites want it to be.
If they all leave and set up a new party all I can say is that I hope they like walking and delivering leaflets, because there are going to be precious few actual members wanting to do it for them.
Without social democracy Labour is finished. Socialism died when the Berlin Wall came down.0 -
Well I do, so I am going to continue supporting someone who is offering a different kind of politics. I don't think I am the only one.
Again most of your points are specific to your opinions about Jeremy Corbyn as a person, but don't address what is lacking in mainstream politics.
I profoundly disagree with you that Tony Blair had the right idea about anything, other than realising that the Blairite personality cult. a lot of spin, some pop music, and the support of The Sun, amounted to an open goal against John Major; a man who was in many ways, a much more principled and conscientious individual than Blair would know how to be on one of his best days. Maybe if John had had 2 Unlimited singing him a theme tune then things would be different.
Blair did a great job at continuing Thatchers evisceration of the unions, and thus eviscerated, Blairites were able to point to their evisceration and move toward what the PLP actually want, a model where they are funded by donations from big business. Tax breaks for the rich are much easier to deliver on when you get into government than a better standard of living for the poor, after all. Especially if you want have a 140 MPs behind you who are more interested in lucrative directorships for themselves than affordable housing for their constituents.
I agree with you the Labour is finished in its current incarnation, Jeremy Corbyn will be around for a while, but the Party will not be returning to what the Blairites want it to be.
If they all leave and set up a new party all I can say is that I hope they like walking and delivering leaflets, because there are going to be precious few actual members wanting to do it for them.
Blair and his allies correctly judged the political makeup of the country and positioned himself and the party to exploit that. Under Jeremy it's moving away from that position. With Labour decimated in Scotland and the SNP consistently winning due to the motivation of their indoctrinated cohorts it doesn't look like Jeremy is going to change that. So in terms of forming a Labour UK government under Jeremy the swing to the left if not far left has to be unprecedented.
A Labour victory in 2020 under Jeremy is about as likely as a successful independent Scottish economy should there be no free trade between the UK and the EU.0 -
Jeremy is absolutely smashing it in his leadership campaign launch today.
The Owen chap is already a busted flush.
I should think we will see 70% plus for Corbyn if not more. Then the MPs will have to get behind him and the battle for the next election can begin in earnest.
Exciting times!0 -
I don't know if this is a silly question, if the Labour party has an extra £4 million from the leadership challenge and the Labour party splits, which side will keep the money? The half that gets the Labour brand?0
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I'd be surprised if MPs get behind him and I doubt in election they will be able to get enough new votes to replace the votes they will lose.Jeremy is absolutely smashing it in his leadership campaign launch today.
The Owen chap is already a busted flush.
I should think we will see 70% plus for Corbyn if not more. Then the MPs will have to get behind him and the battle for the next election can begin in earnest.
Exciting times!0 -
Jeremy is absolutely smashing it in his leadership campaign launch today.
The Owen chap is already a busted flush.
I should think we will see 70% plus for Corbyn if not more. Then the MPs will have to get behind him and the battle for the next election can begin in earnest.
Exciting times!
I'm not sure what it means when you say the MPs will have to get behind him, there is no obligation to serve on the shadow cabinet by any MP, I suspect some will back down and be willing to serve, but not all by any means.
Exciting times for Theresa May in any case, looks like she has 2020 wrapped up already, although I think Labour are now so divided that they wouldn't seriously challenge in 2020 even with a change of leader.
I do find it odd though to see how many Labour supporters seem incapable of seeing that Corbyn is leading them into an electoral abyss, and quite possibly one they won't recover from.
Although its not exactly a new development that some on the hard left of Labour are more concerned with getting control of the party than they are of actually winning a majority in parliament and having the authority to implement any ideas.0 -
Secret Labour funds offering £25 to vote for Corbyn,
http://order-order.com/2016/07/20/secret-labour-funds-offering-pay-25-vote-corbyn/
Those lefties eh?
They've coughed up nearly £5million :eek: 185,000 new members times £25...0 -
Personally, as a Corbynite, I find it frustrating that the mainstream is completely fixated on his personality. Its indicative of the presidential style of politics we are now lumbered with since Tony Blair, and reduces governance to some X Factor style popularity contest rather than dealing with the things that matter for millions of people.
Corbynites by definition are a personality cult. You are little more than a fan group or a a cult of personality.
....strange that you can't see it.......0 -
The reason that Corbyn is, and continues to be, leader is that all of us who support him want a different kind of politics.
But he's a useless leader.
Here's a description of Lilian Greenwood's time in JC's shadow cabinet.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/07/lilian-greenwood-mp-jeremy-corbyn-continually-undermined-me-job-i-loved0 -
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