Corbynomics: A Dystopia

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Didn't McMahon's share of the vote increase though?

You changing back to a Corbynista? You cameleon.



Only as a % of a low turnout - he was actually down 4000 votes over Meacher's majority. So the majority fell 30%. Labour have a lot of seats with small majorities.

setmefree2

michaels wrote: »

I think there may be something to the 'Asian Community Postal Vote' story

I'd like an inquiry. These are very serious allegations. I know it sounds like sour grapes but I honestly believe Farage is right on "community" postal voting. I was watching the Daily Politics show earlier and a number of journalists have reported seeing (a small number) of people in mosques in Oldham with postal ballot papers. Who takes their postal ballot to a mosque?

Time to scrap postal votes on demand. How hard is it to get of your sofa and go and vote?

In a report earlier this year, the Electoral Commission named Oldham West and Royton as one of the constituencies alleged to have a "greater risk" of voter fraud.

Spidernick

As much as it's wrong to stereotype, I did find this amusing!:

http://newsthump.com/2015/12/04/postal-votes-unfairly-discriminate-against-illiterate-ukip-supporters-claims-farage/

Nigel Farage has called for an end to postal voting as it unfairly discriminates against UKIP supporters who struggle with pens, paper and stamps.

With UKIP falling over 10,000 votes behind Labour in the Oldham West and Royton by-election, party leader Nigel Farage insisted the process was unfair, because it wasn’t designed for the average UKIP supporter.

Generali

I heard an interesting point made by someone on the BBC which was that the Labour majority was 10,000 but there were only 7,000 postal votes so it couldn't have made a difference to the vote. Why does the BBC only seem to employ liberal arts graduates to the news department? A definite maths fail there.

chewmylegoff

mforr64 wrote: »

You interpret it the way you want. I'm back to work on Monday. We see and hear what we want. My niece ( married to a GS employee - Goldman Sachs to you & no - he gets bonuses) is backing JC. What the hell is going on there! Only since the war vote though. Lives in Central London - go analyse that one then.

What's strange about that? Corbyn is the MP for an area of London where whole streets of £5m houses have Vote Labour signs proudly displayed in their front windows. They have dinner parties in their second kitchens which consist of saying how rotten the Tories are before moving on to complain that Tarquin Jnr's school fees have gone up another 15% this year and how unreliable their night nanny is, so it's hardly a revelation that the spouse of someone who works for a bank might vote Labour...

Spidernick

Generali wrote: »

I heard an interesting point made by someone on the BBC which was that the Labour majority was 10,000 but there were only 7,000 postal votes so it couldn't have made a difference to the vote. Why does the BBC only seem to employ liberal arts graduates to the news department? A definite maths fail there.

Unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible!), if all or most of the postal votes had been for UKIP (highly unlikely) and somehow changed to Labour, then you have a point. However, if we just strip out the Labour postal votes, then the BBC correspondent was surely correct? Even Farage admitted in an interview I heard that the result wouldn't have changed.

If I am missing something please let me know. Thanks.

Generali

Spidernick wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible!), if all or most of the postal votes had been for UKIP (highly unlikely) and somehow changed to Labour, then you have a point. However, if we just strip out the Labour postal votes, then the BBC correspondent was surely correct? Even Farage admitted in an interview I heard that the result wouldn't have changed.

If I am missing something please let me know. Thanks.

That's about it. If Labour lost 7,000 votes and UKIP gained 7,000 then the result would have been reversed.

Mr BBC's point was that because 10,000> 7,000 there is no charge to answer.

Tromking

Spidernick wrote: »

Unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible!), if all or most of the postal votes had been for UKIP (highly unlikely) and somehow changed to Labour, then you have a point. However, if we just strip out the Labour postal votes, then the BBC correspondent was surely correct? Even Farage admitted in an interview I heard that the result wouldn't have changed.

If I am missing something please let me know. Thanks.

Weren't UKIP's concerns based around the fact that postal votes were overwhelmingly for Labour? Surely postal votes should broadly speaking percentage wise mirror the votes on the day or am I missing something?
Tales of scores of Asian women taking their postal votes to mosque two Friday's ago might explain part of the problem.

Sapphire

Tromking wrote: »

Weren't UKIP's concerns based around the fact that postal votes were overwhelmingly for Labour? Surely postal votes should broadly speaking percentage wise mirror the votes on the day or am I missing something?
Tales of scores of Asian women taking their postal votes to mosque two Friday's ago might explain part of the problem.

I look forward to the London mayoral elections next year :eek: – no doubt the same syndromes will occur as for this election. Still, there is one consolation for some – the more the muslim population (and influence) increases in this country, the greater the likelihood that large numbers of western Slavs will make their way home (they don't include Romanians and Bulgarians, of course). I spoke to some Poles at a function last night (nice women serving drinks) and they did suggest that this is what they will be doing because they feel increasingly unsafe here. They are actively looking for work in Poland, and as the economy improves there, they will return. Then this country can prove how 'right on' it is and do what the so liberal and PC Germany and Sweden are doing – encourage hordes of even more non-European economic migrants from cultures that are inimical to ours to come and settle. Fun times to look forward to. :T Luckily, I have an option to get out if I don't like it.

westernpromise

mforr64 wrote: »

You interpret it the way you want. I'm back to work on Monday. We see and hear what we want. My niece ( married to a GS employee - Goldman Sachs to you & no - he gets bonuses) is backing JC. What the hell is going on there! Only since the war vote though. Lives in Central London - go analyse that one then.

The reason loony lefties are quite happy not to be in power is in part because the personal consequences to themselves are pretty benign. So they get to signal their virtue with no serious risk of the bill ever being sent in.

The people who can't afford a Labour government tend not to vote for one.