So much safer for cyclists to be allowed to go through red!

HappyMJ

pendragon_arther wrote: »

It might suit those that can't drive properly, ignore the rules of the road, eat chocolate ants, snails and frogs' legs but it wouldn't work in a civilised country.

Works in Sydney Australia. Cars can turn left on red at certain intersections....unless Australia doesn't count as civilised.

Johno100

HappyMJ wrote: »

Works in Sydney Australia. Cars can turn left on red at certain intersections....unless Australia doesn't count as civilised.

They also have mandatory cycle lanes and a requirement to wear a helmet. I'm sure the lycra brethren wouldn't appreciate those civilised measures.

brat

Johno100 wrote: »

They also have mandatory cycle lanes and a requirement to wear a helmet. I'm sure the lycra brethren wouldn't appreciate those civilised measures.

Some may. I always wear a helmet, as do all my cycling friends, so I can live with that. I pick and choose which cycle paths to use, so if I was compelled to use one I didn't feel safe on I'd change route.

brat

!!!!!! wrote: »

But not for the pedestrian who is crossing because the green man is lit while the traffic lights are red

Might they not offer some advice to pedestrians too, like a flashing amber sign advising them to take care as they cross? Is it possible we're on the verge of inviting all road users to use some common sense again?

katejo

!!!!!! wrote: »

But not for the pedestrian who is crossing because the green man is lit while the traffic lights are red

I sometimes put 2 fingers up at cyclists who do this when I am crossing at a green man. Once you allow it, you will get cyclists being abusive towards pedestrians who "get in their way".

Altarf

brat wrote: »

Might they not offer some advice to pedestrians too, like a flashing amber sign advising them to take care as they cross? Is it possible we're on the verge of inviting all road users to use some common sense again?

For the French 'Cycle through Red' rules there is no need for a sign to warn pedestrians, since if you read the article, if cyclists do ride through a red light they must treat it as a 'Give Way'.

As the pedestrian has priority, it is the cyclist who must take care, and you would have thought that a red light would be sufficient warning for them.

katejo wrote: »

I sometimes put 2 fingers up at cyclists who do this when I am crossing at a green man. Once you allow it, you will get cyclists being abusive towards pedestrians who "get in their way".

I find an umbrella aimed at their spokes is a more effective indication that their behaviour is antisocial.

brat

Altarf wrote: »

For the French 'Cycle through Red' rules there is no need for a sign to warn pedestrians, since if you read the article, if cyclists do ride through a red light they must treat it as a 'Give Way'.

As the pedestrian has priority, it is the cyclist who must take care, and you would have thought that a red light would be sufficient warning for them.

So, if a motorist or cyclist is coming up to a give way line and the road is clear, are you arguing that he should stop for a pedestrian that is walking along the pavement towards the kerb? If it is to be treated as a give way, then the pedestrian needs to accept a little more responsibility for his actions at such a junction.

brat

Altarf wrote: »

I find an umbrella aimed at their spokes is a more effective indication that their behaviour is antisocial.

And you. like the cyclist will face the consequence of your deliberate action.

But I fear your bravery wouldn't ever escape from behind a keyboard...

Altarf

brat wrote: »

And you. like the cyclist will face the consequence of your deliberate action.

Funnily enough when faced with cycling into the pointy end of a steel tipped umbrella, they usually suddenly seem to remember what the brake lever does.

So the consequence of my instinctive reaction to protect myself, is that the cyclist does what they should have done in the first place.

brat wrote: »

But I fear your bravery wouldn't ever escape from behind a keyboard...

So I was a figment of the imagination of the cyclist who had to come to a screeching halt this morning. Who knew.

brat

Altarf wrote: »

So I was a figment of the imagination of the cyclist who had to come to a screeching halt this morning. Who knew.

I think you're fibbing,,,

,,,either way it's max 7 years in pokey for the offence you wish you had the balls to commit.