Upgrading NSH heaters to smarter units.

Klendathu

lstar337 wrote: »

But if you stick to E7 then the Q-Rad will be using expensive day rate electric for most of the time it is on, and if you are using it to heat a bedroom, bathroom, and hall then it will be expensive to run.

Thanks. My flat hold heats fairly well and the hall and bathroom are not exposed to any external walls. The hall NSH is a small unit that is only ever on a low setting (input 3-5 / 10, no boost output). Some heat will seep from the living room into the hall and if I set the timers to warm it up during E7 times (like 4am onwards) then it should only need to be on very low for short periods during the more expensive times of the day just to keep the place getting too cold - that's the theory anyway.

I think you should stick with NSH and go for a simple model (XLS or eqv.) or get another Quantum and get over the fact that it takes up more space.

"getting over" is an adpt turn of phrase. The hall is L-shaped and 90cm at it's widest point (less where there are doorways like the bathroom opposite) so getting large/wide furniture around it is already painstakingly difficult - my sofa was a nightmare and that breaks down! The real consequence would not only be manhandling furniture around a corner but also above and clearing the height of the NSH.

I'm definiely not ruling it out but I know I'll be kicking myself (and the NSH) before too long!

If you want to trial a panel heater in the hall get a cheapo portable oil rad and see how much it bumps your usage, then you can make the decision to go panel or NSH later on.

This is a great idea! I have a 2.5kW tower heater that I could put on a timer over winter for the sake of experimentation and see how it fairs. Or do you think it would only be worthwhile/representative to try it a with like-for-like a panel heater?

lstar337

Klendathu wrote: »

Thanks. My flat hold heats fairly well and the hall and bathroom are not exposed to any external walls. The hall NSH is a small unit that is only ever on a low setting (input 3-5 / 10, no boost output). Some heat will seep from the living room into the hall and if I set the timers to warm it up during E7 times (like 4am onwards) then it should only need to be on very low for short periods during the more expensive times of the day just to keep the place getting too cold - that's the theory anyway.

There is a little tiny NSH designed for bathroom use which could be considered, it has no controls though.

Klendathu wrote: »

"getting over" is an adpt turn of phrase. The hall is L-shaped and 90cm at it's widest point (less where there are doorways like the bathroom opposite) so getting large/wide furniture around it is already painstakingly difficult - my sofa was a nightmare and that breaks down! The real consequence would not only be manhandling furniture around a corner but also above and clearing the height of the NSH.

Apologies, it is very hard to visualise your space from behind a computer screen, and clearly you know what will fit and what wont.;):D

Klendathu wrote: »

This is a great idea! I have a 2.5kW tower heater that I could put on a timer over winter for the sake of experimentation and see how it fairs. Or do you think it would only be worthwhile/representative to try it a with like-for-like a panel heater?

2.5kW is 2.5kW, so it doesn't really matter what it is. You could fit a 2.5kW television (if you could find one), and it would still give out the same heat as a 2.5kW towel rail, or heater.

I would just like to add that Richie-from-the-Boro is an excellent contributor to this forum and his posts toward you are not intentionally short. I think it is because we are used to combating expensive panel heater salesmen hell bent on duping NSH users on this forum. Posting similar things over and over leads to short simple replies and basic info, it's bound to happen. I'm certainly sure he meant no offence.

Richie-from-the-Boro

Klendathu wrote: »

Apologies, this wasn't clear from your post.



I'd like to address this as new user to these forums and as somebody who welcomes all advice but who is obviously not familiar with any of the forum participants.

Your first reply here was a bit of anti-Rointe/panel heater narrative (which having looked at your posting history seems be a running theme) that didn't help me as I said in my first post I was looking at NSH rather than panels - although ironically I'm now considering a Q-Rad panel for the hall, but that wasn't my original question. Your next reply in this thread was your can't get a NSH thinner than 15cm even though I have one now and there are several sold by Dimplex so that statement is patently incorrect.

I have no axe to grind here and I'm genuinly grateful to everybody who responded to this thread but your individual contributions were objectively unhelpful. I felt like you were using the thread as a sandbox for your views and if I am permitted to be blunt, my perception of your postings were those of a rabid storage heater sales person lacking objectively. I'm not saying this is what you are, only what I took away.

That said I do think you were trying to help so a sincere thank you!

bit of anti-Rointe/panel heater narrative

Huge thread on Rionte [and others], you should search + read that series of contributions by many people, not just myself over many years first, then post. Not a sandbox, but certainly my view of all brands of so called German storage heaters that do not store heat.

zero tolerance for cold

Was my start and is always my end point. If you wanted a replacement UK type storage heater on cheap rate, you have what I suggested, along with my alternative """any thermostat & timer panel heater at £40+ will do as good as Rionte""". Now you are still at that same point are you not ? Go replacement modern linked UK storage heater or use panel heating for non living areas.

If you like many who come here want the slim thing - pay 6 times the price for the heater unit & installation costs and up to 3 times the price for the electricity to run it on 24 hours a day - best of luck

Was the anticipation for this to be expected # number.

I have no axe to grind here and I'm genuinly grateful to everybody who responded to this thread but your individual contributions were objectively unhelpful. I felt like you were using the thread as a sandbox for your views and if I am permitted to be blunt, my perception of your postings were those of a rabid storage heater sales person lacking objectively. I'm not saying this is what you are, only what I took away.

Its a forum, its called money saving, that's what you were given by all posters in this thread objective money saving opinion. Its a forum you can say what you wish - and have just done so. Huge repository of advice and knowledge exists here from well meant other members who will try to help your understanding, use it well my friend. Best of luck.

Cardew

lstar337 wrote: »

I would just like to add that Richie-from-the-Boro is an excellent contributor to this forum and his posts toward you are not intentionally short. I think it is because we are used to combating expensive panel heater salesmen hell bent on duping NSH users on this forum. Posting similar things over and over leads to short simple replies and basic info, it's bound to happen. I'm certainly sure he meant no offence.

As another long term contributor to this forum, I totally agree with the comments in the quote above.


Several of us have tried to get Martin to get an article written to warn people of the pitfalls of buying electrical systems that run on daytime electricity.


People have reported buying several heaters at over £1,500 each, convinced that these filled with magic ingredient X and/or coated with another magic potion, will result in their electricity bills for heating being miniscule.


One last point. Although posts are written as a reply to your query, it is the hope that many others will read the exchanges and get the message!

modsandmockers

You say that the hall and bathroom have no external walls, which implies that the kitchen and bedroom (quite reasonably) have windows. So, by the madmocs theory of heat distribution, you would be better to place some heaters under the kitchen and bedroom windows so that the descending cold air from the inner surface of the window glass would drive the less dense warm air from the heaters towards the enclosed centre of the flat (ie the hall and bathroom). I don’t understand why the warmed air in the hall would not be ‘trapped’ there by the colder air from the kitchen and bedroom (leading to a rather hot hall, and an extremely slow transfer of heat from the hall to the kitchen and bedroom).

I heat my studio flat by a couple of low wattage Dimplex thermostatic tubular heaters on each of the two windowsills, topped up when necessary by a low wattage oil-filled electric radiator under each window. Some people say that my heat is going straight out through the window, but my experience is the opposite - the denser, sinking, cold air actively distributes the lighter warm air across the room.

If my theory makes any kind of sense to you, then why not try having no heater at all in the hall!

Richie-from-the-Boro

modsandmockers wrote: »

I’m sorry that I cannot answer your specific question, but I am interested in the pros and cons of electric heating, especially in small properties. You seem to be relaxed about switching your heaters on at any time of the day or night. Are you on an Economy 7 meter?

This was written some long time ago now but may help with your understanding or at least help you decide what questions on 'electric heating' you want to ask. You may want to get a coffee before you start reading it. Best of luck in your search for answers.