Deposit and forced entry by emergency services

Gingernutty

Another vote for the cost must come from the deposit.

Self neglect and denial are the tenant's fault, necessitating the breaking down of the door to take him/her to hospital where the medics agree that the tenant's condition merited the action.

It's the tenant's fault that this happened. The cost must come from the deposit.

If the police had broken the door down by mistake, then yes, they'd be liable. But they didn't so they're not.

Person_one

Gingernutty wrote: »

Self neglect and denial are the tenant's fault, necessitating the breaking down of the door to take him/her to hospital where the medics agree that the tenant's condition merited the action.

It's the tenant's fault that this happened. The cost must come from the deposit.

Wow.

This guy was in a diabetic coma, and then sectioned under the mental health act, which is not done lightly. He was clearly seriously unwell both physically and mentally.

So sad to see how uncaring and lacking compassion this country is becoming.

kinger101

Person_one wrote: »

Wow.

This guy was in a diabetic coma, and then sectioned under the mental health act, which is not done lightly. He was clearly seriously unwell both physically and mentally.

So sad to see how uncaring and lacking compassion this country is becoming.

Yes, it was a bit harsh. But the sensible thing for the OP to do would be to tell the person concerned that there is no chance that the emergency services are going to pay for this. Given the impression this is even remotely possible will not help them. It simply diverts their attention from getting better, and causes unnecessarily stress.

It's quite possible that the diabetes and sectioning are interrelated. Apparently it's not uncommon for people to become frustrated by the daily injections. I'm not sure if this is the case here, but if it is, perhaps OP can support the tenant in getting the support they need in managing the psychological as well as physiological aspects of this disease.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/emotions/diabetes-burnout.html

Voyager2002

Person_one wrote: »

Wow.

This guy was in a diabetic coma, and then sectioned under the mental health act, which is not done lightly. He was clearly seriously unwell both physically and mentally.

So sad to see how uncaring and lacking compassion this country is becoming.

Not at all. However, the damage was not the landlord's fault; nor that of the emergency services; nor of the people posting on this thread. Any of these people are free to make a gift to the poor person, but our legal liability stops at the point of paying taxes to meet the costs of the medical and other care that was needed.

alchemist.1

I imagine the cost won't be a huge amount. Neither the tenant, landlord or emergency services are at fault but someone has to pay the bill.

Would the landlord be able to set the cost off against his tax liability?

Homeownertobe

Person_one wrote: »

Wow.

This guy was in a diabetic coma, and then sectioned under the mental health act, which is not done lightly. He was clearly seriously unwell both physically and mentally.

So sad to see how uncaring and lacking compassion this country is becoming.

If the landlord takes the cost of the damage from the deposit - as he should - then he is behaving perfectly professionally. You don't run a business by giving away your own money for every sob story.

Landlords are not some quasi social services for every waif and stray the country has. They do not take on that responsibility because they let out a property. They are landlords, nothing more, nothing less.

preciousillusions

Person_one wrote: »

Wow.

This guy was in a diabetic coma, and then sectioned under the mental health act, which is not done lightly. He was clearly seriously unwell both physically and mentally.

So sad to see how uncaring and lacking compassion this country is becoming.

Yep.

I have type one diabetes (which is NEVER lifestyle caused or "self inflicted) and a mental health condition (also not self inflicted!) My first thought is that if the tenants collapse was caused by diabetes, in this case it was probably due to not taking insulin as required (can be down to an eating disorder or depression/difficulty in taking care) or otherwise taking too much insulin as in the case of an overdose. The tenant deserves compassion here, not blame. & they clearly need to be focused on getting themselves well right now. If the landlord is intent on the tenant paying then could it at least be left to a later date when the tenant is more able to deal with it? Perhaps the cost could be split?

Person_one

Homeownertobe wrote: »

If the landlord takes the cost of the damage from the deposit - as he should - then he is behaving perfectly professionally. You don't run a business by giving away your own money for every sob story.

Landlords are not some quasi social services for every waif and stray the country has. They do not take on that responsibility because they let out a property. They are landlords, nothing more, nothing less.

My post was not about the landlord at all, it was in response to Gingernutty's Ignorant and heartless assertion that it was the tenant's own fault he was so seriously unwell.

You can tell by the fact that I quoted it.

Homeownertobe

Person_one wrote: »

My post was not about the landlord at all, it was in response to Gingernutty's Ignorant and heartless assertion that it was the tenant's own fault he was so seriously unwell.

You can tell by the fact that I quoted it.

You must be a deeply unhappy individual.

Person_one

Homeownertobe wrote: »

You must be a deeply unhappy individual.

It certainly makes me unhappy to see such a disheartening lack of understanding and compassion in my fellow human beings, blaming this poor guy for being seriously ill as if he chose it just to cause his landlord bother!

I actually agree with the posters who've said it should go to arbitration and let the deposit holder decide, and I hope the OP's friend continues to recover and get healthier, that's the most important thing after all.