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POPLA APPEAL - TPS - Jubilee Retail Park, Weymouth

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  • ampersand
    ampersand Posts: 9,572 Forumite
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    Proof-read+tweaks, P -
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    There is no ambiguity in the arbiter's statement [possessive apostrophe]

    POPLA is the superior authority, not the DVLA, in judging whether or not a BPA AOS accredited operator does indeed have authority from the landowner to issue parking charge notices on the land in question. The fact that your response does not accord with this is concerning.

    ....TPS has failed to meet the standard of "reasonable use" defined...

    with ''evidence'' asserting otherwise. [don't use 'proving'. DO place inverted commas around ''evidence'', ''proving'' etc, indicating contentious use.]

    This adjudication shows that TPS deliberately lied.

    Further, it shows that TPS knowingly fabricated evidence to ''prove'' that they do have the required authority. TPS presented this fake ''evidence'' to BPA's officially recognised arbiter and I have no doubt that TPS would treat the DVLA with similar contempt by proffering this same fabricated ''evidence'' to them

    In light of the above, I hereby make a Freedom of Information Request under the rights afforded to me by[too many 'the's] The Freedom of Information Act 2000


    I require full relevant response to each and every point raised in the foregoing list within the time scale that is allowed to you by the act.

    Yours faithfully
    [always y/f in formal correspondence]

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    I'm unsure you should be quite so tendentious in the preamble.
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  • Precision
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    tyvm for the proofing &, I've incorporated your recommendations
  • Umkomaas
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    I'd number each of your specific requests for information, otherwise they may well try to wrap a number together in a single paragraph and possibly sidestep the tricky ones. You should then get a response with answers cross-referenced to each of you queries. No hiding place for them that way.

    I'm just wondering whether you should be more upfront in asking for the agreement/contract to be made available (rather than hoping they might provide it under your 'attachments' request).

    However, by asking for attachments it might smoke them out if they don't forward a copy of the agreement/contract, that gives you the possibility of painting them into a bit of a corner (would they be covering something up?).

    A decision for you. Excellent FOI draft by the way. Keep us posted.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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    FOI response - pretty fruitless tbh :/


    Dear x

    Freedom of Information Request

    Thank you for your e-mail dated 25 September requesting information under the
    terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA).

    You asked for:
    1. Details of every request, received by the DVLA, to supply information
    about the vehicle with the registration xxxx xxx (of which I am
    registered keeper), between the dates of 28/05/2015 00:00 to 24/09/2015
    00:00 inclusive.

    The information should include:
    The date and time of the request
    State whether the request was approved or denied
    Name the person / company that made the request
    Show the data that was supplied

    DVLA considers the information you are requesting to be personal information and
    as such can neither confirm nor deny that it holds this information. The duty to
    confirm or deny whether the information you have requested is held does not apply
    by virtue of section 40(5)(a) of the FOIA. This should not be taken to be evidence
    that the information you asked for does or does not exist.

    You should be aware that information released under the FOIA is available for all to
    see and to release personal information under the terms of the FOIA would be a
    breach of the Data Protection Act 1998 (DPA).
    2. Copies of all documents in possession by the DLVA, on the date
    28/05/2015 00:00, in relation to TPS and JRP, that can used to meet the
    standard of "reasonable use" under Section 27 (1)(e) of the Road
    Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002.

    This information is not held. Total Parking Solutions Ltd makes registered keeper
    detail requests electronically. No documents are held.
    3. Copies of all correspondence between the DVLA and TPS, from the date
    28/05/2015 00:00 to 24/09/2015 00:00 inclusive.
    This information should include:
    All written correspondence
    All email correspondence
    All attachments to said correspondence
    Any evidence supplied by TPS in defence of: the complaint I lodged
    against them, and your investigation of said complaint.

    4. Copies of all internal DVLA correspondence relating to the complaint
    that was lodged by myself on 21/09/2015 against TPS.
    In relation to your questions 3 & 4, DVLA considers the information you are
    requesting to be personal information and as such can neither confirm nor deny that
    it holds this information. The duty to confirm or deny whether the information you
    have requested is held does not apply by virtue of section 40(5)(a) of the FOIA. This
    should not be taken to be evidence that the information you asked for does or does
    not exist.

    You should be aware that information released under the FOIA is available for all to
    see and to release personal information under the terms of the FOIA would be a
    breach of the Data Protection Act 1998 (DPA).

    Section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 allows individuals access to information
    held by DVLA. DVLA’s Driver and Vehicle Records Enquiry (DVRE) Group will be
    writing to you under separate cover in response to Q3 and Q4.

    The information which follows concerns the procedures for making any complaint
    you might have about the reply. Please quote the reference number of this letter in
    any future communications about it.

    Yours sincerely

    Robert Toft

    Head of Data Sharing Policy & Freedom of Information Team
  • bod1467
    bod1467 Posts: 15,214 Forumite
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    A nice bit of slopey shoulders going on there. :)
  • Precision
    Precision Posts: 36 Forumite
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    Very slopey indeed: more wasted paper by the DLVA:

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fhg8CUDypdYB4jXzsEQkrDwJ53KMLa7FE7FqWSufop8/edit?usp=sharing

    That, followed by 9 pages of guff.

    no incoming correspondene from TPA

    only an outgoing email, to someone called Tito, (Who i assume from context is TPS as there are no email addresses) asking for "Landowner / managment agreements" that are in place
  • henrik777
    henrik777 Posts: 3,053 Forumite
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    So essentially they want £10 for a subject access request and 40 days to provide your personal information.
  • Precision
    Precision Posts: 36 Forumite
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    Yea I guess, but it appears they're going to keep the contracts private either way; as requested by TPS.

    This shouldn't need a SAQ to view as it's not personal. Their basically saying, we have proof that they're allowed to operate on this site but we wont show you, because the Operator asked us not to?!
  • Guys_Dad
    Guys_Dad Posts: 11,025 Forumite
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    I hate to be a wet blanket on your latest and admirable efforts, but I fear that you have made an incorrect assumption.

    You wrote to the DVLA stating

    To be specific, I will quote the previously supplied POPLA adjudication: "..the Operator does not have the authority from the landowner to issue parking charge notices"


    What the adjudication actually said in full was

    The Appellant has made a number of submissions which I do not intend to
    deal with and will only elaborate on the reason why I am allowing this appeal, namely that the Operator does not have the authority from the landowner to issue parking charge notices.

    The Appellant has asked to see proof that the Operator has the authority to issue parking charges.

    The Operator has provided a witness statement, however, this witness statement is made and signed by their own employee and therefore not valid.

    The Operator has failed to provide a copy of the contract between themselves and the landowner to show that they have the authority to issue parking charge notices and therefore I have no evidence before me to refute the Appellant’s submission.

    The onus is on the Operator to prove their case against the Appellant and on this occasion they have not done so.


    That adjudication first of all highlights the appeal point that you made "the Operator does not have the authority from the landowner to issue parking charge notices".

    It then goes on to say that the PPC did not provide POPLA with evidence that they had the authority and therefore allowed the appeal point. That does not mean that the PPC did not have the correct authority, only that they did not produce it. If you think about it, POPLA could only determine that they did not have the appropriate authority if they saw a copy of the unredacted contract and determined from the contract that they did not have authority.

    Now it may very well be that they sent an unredacted copy to the DVLA to satisfy them without showing it to anyone from "the public", although my money would be on the discredited witness statement reappearing.

    But well done for your tenacity and taking the interpretation of the adjudication in your benefit. :)
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