Do I need to provide a postal address even if appealing via email? Why?

foomanboro

Hi

First time poster here looking for an answer I couldn’t find on any of the stickys on this forum. I am looking to appeal a PCN using the 1st appeal template and the information on here seems to insist that I still provide my postal address even if I am appealing via email. I don’t feel comfortable proving my personal information (especially my home address) to these often unscrupulous companies. In fact I feel unsafe doing so.

If I don’t provide this information along with the appeal, does this put me in a legally weaker place if I insist that any correspondence they do with me, as keeper of the vehicle, be done by email. Surely if they insist on contacting via post they can get the relevant information via DVLA but I don’t want to volunteer it, if I don’t have to, given my concerns.

Thanks!

Quentin

Assuming the ticket you are appealing was put on the car why are you appealing now?


Read the newbies faq thread at the top of the forum to see how to go about this.

bazster

The advice on here is normally that you do nothing until you receive the Notice to Keeper in the post, by which time they've already got your name and address anyway.

If you appeal in advance of getting the NtK, without giving an address, they will simply reject your appeal and apply to the DVLA anyway. I don't really understand why you are being so precious about your address: they're going to get it one way or another.

Redx

foomanboro wrote: »

Hi

First time poster here looking for an answer I couldn’t find on any of the stickys on this forum. I am looking to appeal a PCN using the 1st appeal template and the information on here seems to insist that I still provide my postal address even if I am appealing via email. I don’t feel comfortable proving my personal information (especially my home address) to these often unscrupulous companies. In fact I feel unsafe doing so.

If I don’t provide this information along with the appeal, does this put me in a legally weaker place if I insist that any correspondence they do with me, as keeper of the vehicle, be done by email. Surely if they insist on contacting via post they can get the relevant information via DVLA but I don’t want to volunteer it, if I don’t have to, given my concerns.

Thanks!

they need a serviceable snail mail address, same as they are obliged to do with you

otherwise, you could be anybody and they have no actual details , an email address is easily set up and can be set up using fictitious details, in less than 5 minutes

you could give them a mobile number, which again doesnt tie down an address (because its mobile)

if you dont provide the details, they will get them from the DVLA and write to the RK, which is one reason we say to wait for the NTK to arrive

more haste , less speed

foomanboro

So the reason as some of you asked why I appealed at this early stage was based on how I interpreted the following section in the Newbies FAQs section

Windscreen tickets:

The latest advice is, in the case of AOS MEMBERS ONLY, appeal online or by email at around day 20 after a windscreen ticket but as the KEEPER, not driver, using the template below. NOTE: the appeal deadline is NOT 14 days, please re-read your PCN if you think it is! The reason for waiting 3 weeks is to not appeal too soon as if you are the driver and secondly, to engage them in the appeals process at a time when they should also be posting a Notice to Keeper. Many PPCs forget the NTK when replying to an appeal and if you appeal as 'keeper' then the very fact a PPC then forgets to send you a NTK by day 56, gives you a slam-dunk winning point at POPLA stage! Don't forget it, make sure you take note of whether any NTK is ever received.

I effectively appealed on Day 14 (I got the windscreen ticket 2 weeks ago) because that was the day they said if I had not responded the fine would go from £60 to £100. I could have waited till day 20 I suppose but it did not suggest waiting until I received the NTK.

Redx

it USED TO suggest waiting for the NTK though, and some of us have been advising people here for 2 years when you DID wait for the NTK

not a problem if you used the template wording and said KEEPER and not outed the driver (which many people do in their rush to appeal)

day 21 would have been better, it used to say day 25 a few months ago

its not a fine either , its an invoice

bazster

So in your first post you didn't think to mention that you've already appealed? Nothing more irritating than an OP who is sparing with the facts!

So what you presumably really want to know is this: "I appealed without providing my address; what will happen?" to which the simple answer is "appeal rejected" (and they won't issue a PoPLA code either, assuming this is a BPA member, you haven't said what company).

In any case appealing after 14 days is utterly pointless and completely defeats the object of the 20-day trick. Where did it say to appeal before the early payment bribe runs out? Hint: it didn't, because this forum isn't about grabbing early payment bribes, it's about paying nothing at all.

ColliesCarer

Check which trade organisation your PPC belongs to.

If the IPC re-submit your appeal providing your address - as long as you appealed as keeper and your appeal would arrive by 21 days from date of issue.

If BPA re-submit your appeal providing your address - as long as you appealed as keeper and your appeal would arrive by 28 days from date of issue.

foomanboro

I'm sorry for causing irritation to some "hardcore" members but even for an internet forum I am surprised by the level passive aggression to what I thought was a simple question, that I unfortunately could not find clearly answered in the Newbies FAQ sticky. If you'd like to help without the overblown consternation that would be great, if not that's perfectly OK but it doesn't make your knowledge any more valid or make you superior in doing so.

It terms of more information the company is call vehicle control services LTD and seem to be associated with the IPC.

Thanks again

foomanboro

ColliesCarer wrote: »

Check which trade organisation your PPC belongs to.

If the IPC re-submit your appeal providing your address - as long as you appealed as keeper and your appeal would arrive by 21 days from date of issue.

If BPA re-submit your appeal providing your address - as long as you appealed as keeper and your appeal would arrive by 28 days from date of issue.

Ok thanks - given the company belongs to the IPC, do you suggest I re-submit my appeal with the postal address immediately or day 20?

Quentin

foomanboro wrote: »

So the reason as some of you asked why I appealed at this early stage was based on how I interpreted the following section in the Newbies FAQs section.....
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I didn't ask why you had appealed!


You actually posted that you were "looking to appeal".


I questioned why you were now appealing and I pointed you towards the newbie stickie expecting you to find out why you were contemplating appealing too early.


But it now turns out the OP was wrong!