PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.

Parking in shared alleyway, Buying land and building garage?

single_lonely
single_lonely Posts: 284 Forumite
edited 13 July 2015 at 9:33AM in House buying, renting & selling
New next door neighbour has been converted to 4 bedroom house, business and a flat upstairs. (see other post for related info, if interested!).

In the picture im no. 13. No. 15 flat is occupied and other neighbours 1-5 are concerned as there is no parking left on there side. Bloke at 14 is causing problems by parking in our shared alleyway (You have to reverse out and its cobbled road, as bedrooms have windows open they wake me up at 2-5am).

I've lived here 25 years and no-one parks here (used as access).
Do I have any legal respite? Alternatively would it be wise to purchase my half (it isn't in the deed, checked). Can he build a garage on his side without my permission?

KEY FOR PICTURE:
(yellow are boundaries as in deeds, black are houses, blue are pavement, red line doors and green are gates).
(http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv332/whylove_/parking_zps7k6to7le.jpg)
parking_zps7k6to7le.jpg
«1

Comments

  • molerat
    molerat Posts: 34,344 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    edited 13 July 2015 at 9:47AM
    Looks like he is parking on his property. What, if any, access rights do you have over the cobbled road and is his parking there obstructing this ? If none then it looks like you are going to have to live with it. Any perceived parking problems should have been brought up with the council at the time of the planning application. If it is his land then, providing the council allow it, he can pretty much build what he wants on it and you purchasing the other bit would have little effect on that.
  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    New next door neighbour has been converted to 4 bedroom house, business and a flat upstairs. (see other post for related info, if interested!).
    This one?

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/68195517#Comment_68195517
  • Leo2020
    Leo2020 Posts: 910 Forumite
    For example with a shared driveway you would both own the whole driveway and both have rights to use it. You would both be responsible for maintenance and neither part could stop the other party from using it. But I suppose you could own one side but have access rights over the other side but I would have thought this unusual.

    If it is not in the deeds then is this cobbled road just that? A cobbled road which is part of the normal highway? You might use it for access but do you actually have anything stated in your deeds that say you have rights over this land? You said no - double check because if not I suspect this is just a normal road.

    You need to check your deeds and/or seek further advice on this from a professional.
  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    So No. 14 is parking in the cobbled road? Is this a public highway? If not, who owns it? And who has rights of access?

    What is the significance of the yellow box around No. 14 which seems to extend into the cobbled road? Is he parking within the yellow box? Does he own it? Have you downloaded both your, and his, property Title Plans from the Land Registry?

    How does any of this relate to no.s 1-5
  • stator
    stator Posts: 7,441 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    It depends what access rights you have. If you have the right of unrestricted access over that road then he is violating it and you might get a solicitor involved. But where does the road lead to? Gardens? Allotments?
    Changing the world, one sarcastic comment at a time.
  • G_M wrote: »
    So No. 14 is parking in the cobbled road? Is this a public highway? If not, who owns it? And who has rights of access?

    What is the significance of the yellow box around No. 14 which seems to extend into the cobbled road? Is he parking within the yellow box? Does he own it? Have you downloaded both your, and his, property Title Plans from the Land Registry?

    How does any of this relate to no.s 1-5
    The Arrows show where cars are normally parked. No1-5 are complaining as they have limited car parking spaces now.. He is parking within the yellow box. Its marked like that on the title plans on the land registry.
    Im not sure if the cobbled road it public highway? he owns the yellow box, who would own the rest as i do not? I and the previous neighbours have always used it as access and never parked there.
  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    edited 13 July 2015 at 10:27AM
    If he owns the yellow box then he can leave his car there.

    Unless others (you?) have a right of access that he is blocking. Look at your Title documents. Do you?

    And if he owns the yellow box (which extends to include half the road) then clearly the road is not public highway!

    Try doing a May Enquiry at the LR to see who owns the rest of it (assuming it is registered).

    (and I still don't see why any of this affects No.s 1-5, or why their parking issues are relevant to you)
    would it be wise to purchase my half (it isn't in the deed, checked). Can he build a garage on his side without my permission?
    Well until you know who owns 'your side', you won't be able to buy it!

    If he owns the land, he can build a garage if he gets
    * Planning Consent (you could object)
    * consent from any freeholder (asuming he is a leaseholder)
    * consent from anyone with any other rights to the land eg right of access
  • molerat wrote: »
    Looks like he is parking on his property. yes What, if any, access rights do you have over the cobbled road and is his parking there obstructing this ? historic public right of access, I have lived here for 35 yrs and its not been fenced off, garage built (or cars parked for that matter) If none then it looks like you are going to have to live with it. Any perceived parking problems should have been brought up with the council at the time of the planning application. There has not been any planning application for it! If it is his land then, providing the council allow it, he can pretty much build what he wants on it and you purchasing the other bit would have little effect on that.
    Ive added the message in red
  • stator wrote: »
    It depends what access rights you have. If you have the right of unrestricted access over that road then he is violating it and you might get a solicitor involved. But where does the road lead to? Gardens? Allotments?
    road used to lead to main road (but highway changes happened 10 yrs ago meaning its a dead end). Thus you drive in and have to reverse out! Its not safe seeing there is a school entrance opposite the road.
  • dodger1
    dodger1 Posts: 4,579 Forumite
    road used to lead to main road (but highway changes happened 10 yrs ago meaning its a dead end). Thus you drive in and have to reverse out! Its not safe seeing there is a school entrance opposite the road.

    Reverse in and drive out?
    It's someone else's fault.
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 350.1K Banking & Borrowing
  • 252.8K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 453.1K Spending & Discounts
  • 243.1K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 597.4K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 176.5K Life & Family
  • 256K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.