Sabotage and hatred: what have people got against cyclists?

Stevie_Palimo

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Metaphorically shouting through the car window then driving off.

I take you were the idiot who fell off his bike then considering you know so much about my run with the group idiot road hoggers, BTW I did not swear either Metaphorically and or out loud.


Using large words does not make you any better than others either.

Marco_Panettone

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

I take you were the idiot who fell off his bike then considering you know so much about my run with the group idiot road hoggers, BTW I did not swear either Metaphorically and or out loud.


Using large words does not make you any better than others either.

Why are people on bikes " idiot road hoggers" when you can't pass them immediately, but when they're in cars you'd call it "a traffic jam"? How would you feel if you're in slow moving traffic (very common) and someone on a bike shouts at you to move over and get out of their way?


Just chill out, allow other people to use the road as they need, and overtake when it is safe and legal to do so.


Other people cycling is good for drivers - they're leaving a parking space we might be able to use.

Norman_Castle

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

I take you were the idiot who fell off his bike then considering you know so much about my run with the group idiot road hoggers, BTW I did not swear either Metaphorically and or out loud.


Using large words does not make you any better than others either.

I thought you'd gone. You've metaphorically reversed back to have another go. Is it inconceivable you were wrong because you've been told you're a careful driver and have avoided crashing for 20 years. I suspect you've seen plenty of crashes in your mirror.
I wasn't there. I don't ride in groups or on the road if I can avoid them.
Pleased to hear you didn't swear. Did anyone suggest you did?.

Indubitably using large words doesn't make anyone better than others in the same way driving a car doesn't make anyone better or give them authority over someone riding a bicycle.

brat

Stevie_Palimo wrote: »

I take you were the idiot who fell off his bike then considering you know so much about my run with the group idiot road hoggers, BTW I did not swear either Metaphorically and or out loud.


Using large words does not make you any better than others either.

I love that you cut and pasted 'metaphorically'. :rotfl:

fred246

Mr X is a REAL man. He has just bought himself a new BMW M5 saloon. £849 a month for 4 years and then just pay £23400 and the car will be his. He likes to drive FAST. Beats everyone at the lights. Ignores all the rules of the road as long as he can get away with it. No stranger to going through lights on red. When the lights change he's one of the 3 or 4 going through on red. Unsafe to stop you see officer.
Mr X stops at the lights in a queue of traffic. What's this - Mr Y comes along on his £200 bike, passes the jam, looks left and right, through the lights and disappears in the distance. Get some registration plates on that bike shouts Mr X.
ENVY - A feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else’s possessions, qualities, or luck (Oxford English)

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Cornucopia wrote: »

A moving bicycle is a significantly greater hazard (especially when ridden with a degree of recklessness) than a stationary car. That should be obvious.

When there are 100 times as many pedestrians killed by motorists as cyclists, isn't it equally obvious that the cars aren't stationary?

Cornucopia wrote: »

it's actually more about nuisance and minor injuries rather than fatalities.

And just how much nuisance does it take to justify killing a cyclist? It appears that road tax buys the right to kill someone rather than slow down for a few hundred yards.

fred246

The last time I took one of my kids into A&E there was a girl of about 10 there stood next to a policeman crying. One of the other people in the waiting room told me that a car had mounted the pavement and killed her mum but had missed her. "She's just watched her mum die", she said. I know that thousands of people are killed by motorists every day so it's hardly uncommon but I will never forget the image of that poor girl and the policeman.

brat

jack_pott wrote: »

When there are 100 times as many pedestrians killed by motorists as cyclists, isn't it equally obvious that the cars aren't stationary?

The typical pavement fatality is a slow manoeuvre around an unsuspecting or slow moving victim. In terms of fatal accidents, in the last seven years in our county we've had three elderly ladies reversed over by white van man on paths on which they had priority. We have had an elderly lady reversed over by her husband coming out of his drive, two toddlers reversed over on pavements/drives by family members. We've had a pregnant lady mowed down by a boy racer trying and failing to drift round a 180. We've had a coach reverse into an elderly male crushing him against a wall, and a bin lorry reverse over an lady on a country path. We've also had a moped on a pavement knock over a 15 year old who later died of brain compression.

Granted I don't hear too much about minor injury collisions with bikes on pavements, but I don't actually know of one in our county, never mind deal with a serious or fatal collision involving a bike on a pavement. I'm sure that some minor injury bike/pedestrian collision will have occurred, but there have been no such serious injury RTCs in the last 7 years

As Cornucopia said, the issue has more to do with the sense of safety rather than the actual risk. I've little time for cyclists who bully their way past pedestrians on busy urban pavements, but the last thing they want to do is collide with pedestrians. They often surprise a pedestrian which is why they are disliked so much, and they often (consciously) narrowly miss a pedestrian which may give them a shock, but the actual risk of harm is minimal.

brat

fred246 wrote: »

The last time I took one of my kids into A&E there was a girl of about 10 there stood next to a policeman crying. One of the other people in the waiting room told me that a car had mounted the pavement and killed her mum but had missed her. "She's just watched her mum die", she said. I know that thousands of people are killed by motorists every day so it's hardly uncommon but I will never forget the image of that poor girl and the policeman.

It's heartbreaking.

Cornucopia

jack_pott wrote: »

When there are 100 times as many pedestrians killed by motorists as cyclists, isn't it equally obvious that the cars aren't stationary?

And just how much nuisance does it take to justify killing a cyclist? It appears that road tax buys the right to kill someone rather than slow down for a few hundred yards.

There's no value in quoting other people's comments completely out of context.

We were never talking about moving cars on pavements - that was the whole point.

Equally, the nuisance issue stands in isolation from any actual danger of injury, and this should be obvious from the basic physics, the accident stats or personal experience.