Sabotage and hatred: what have people got against cyclists?

Norman_Castle

Altarf wrote: »

Undertaking is undertaking, no matter how you dress it up.

Undertaking describes passing vehicles on the inside in a separate lane. Filtering describes passing vehicles on either side while sharing the same lane.

Filtering is a better description regardless of your opinion of filtering.

Tobster86

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Undertaking describes passing vehicles on the inside in a separate lane. Filtering describes passing vehicles on either side while sharing the same lane.

Filtering is a better description regardless of your opinion of filtering.

Perhaps another way to describe it; for the cyclist to be 'undertaking' in the traditional sense, he would be occupying a lane in primary position with no other vehicles, and passing a vehicle occupying a lane to the right.

Filtering and 'undertaking' are fundamentally NOT the same. The reasons for doing, rules of doing, and methods of safe execution are different.

Cornucopia

I'm not convinced by that. One of the objectives of cycling (and driving) is see and be seen. Undertaking or filtering I'm sure mitigates against that.

I also wonder whether this behaviour is potentially implicated in left-turn accidents and incidents.

Johno100

Cornucopia wrote: »

I also wonder whether this behaviour is potentially implicated in left-turn accidents and incidents.

I've no doubt it is, particularly those accidents involving HGVs.

Cornucopia

Johno100 wrote: »

I've no doubt it is, particularly those accidents involving HGVs.

Those are the ones I'm thinking of.

Tobster86

The circumstances where it's legal and practical to undertake a HGV are significantly safer than filtering on its left; which pretty much should never be done.

JP08

Indeed, don't filter any vehicle at a junction unless you are absolutely sure it is not going to move before you are visible in front of it. Filtering a slow moving vehicle in straight line traffic is risky enough, I tend to make sure I get eye contact with the driver via his mirrors before even trying that.