The problem with socialism

purch

ciaccino wrote: »

Can anybody please explain this to me: is bailing out the TBTF banks capitalism? Is quantitative easing capitalism? Is Help to Buy (Votes) capitalism? Are tax breaks for the multinationals capitalism?

You see, you very nearly managed to ask a pertinent question.

But then you couldn't help yourself, and you had to add the word Votes in brackets, and completely lost any semblance of credibility you may have managed to achieve.

What a shame.

Keep trying.

antrobus

michaels wrote: »

Not at all, just questioning the portrayal of the greeks as govt spending junkies who pay no tax when compared to us they run a much tighter ship.

But the Greeks were "govt spending junkies". That's how they got into this mess. And as far as paying tax is concerned, their ship is a leaky old hulk compared to ours.:)

Praising the Greeks for now running a "much tighter ship" is like praising a bankrupt for keeping their spending under control. They don't really have any alternative you know.

elantan

ggb1979 wrote: »

It doesn't work, history proves it. Are you listening scotland?

I'm hoping Scotland will eventually settle in the middle, too much of either extreme is not good

Generali

elantan wrote: »

I'm hoping Scotland will eventually settle in the middle, too much of either extreme is not good

At present they're a very long way to the left re spending policies but slightly to the right of centre when it comes to taxes.

That is a circle the SNP will be forced to square at some point, either when they get FFA or when Londoners get fed up with subsidising people that hate them.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

At present they're a very long way to the left re spending policies but slightly to the right of centre when it comes to taxes.

...

I've just taken your left/right coordinates and entered them into Google Maps.

Amazingly, that returns a result for Scotland bang slap in the middle of La La Land

[La La Land is actually getting bigger as many in the West do not like the idea of tax, and do not like the idea of smaller state]

elantan

I would agree they are left with policies at the moment and right with taxes, I hope it changes tbh as currently it aint sustainable, but then that cant happen till independence so ....

I can only hope it will become more centre based in policies and taxes, although tbh I am more of a centre right person myself, hence my loving of Salmond and not so much loving of Sturgeon ( far too left wing for me)

Either way it will be what it will be, just now atleast people are engaging and working towards the Scotland they want, I just wish the rest of the UK would catch up, change would happen so much faster

BobQ

Gangaweed wrote: »

is that you always run out of other people's money.

This is so clearly evident from the Greek socialists complete numeric illiteracy.

Let this be an example to the other socialists in Europe.

By all means attack the left, but do remind me which socialist party was running Greece in the run up to the global financial crisis. As I recall it has been right wing or social democratic parties running Greece since the late 1980s.

This crisis is not a failure of socialism or of socialists. It was a global financial crisis and the inability of banks to manage their risks that has brought us to this point.

The socialists running Greece at present are just a manifestation of the public mistrust of the politicians and bankers that got them to where they are today.

antrobus

BobQ wrote: »

By all means attack the left, but do remind me which socialist party was running Greece in the run up to the global financial crisis. ....

PASOK, the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.

The clue might be in the name.:)

purch

BobQ wrote: »

the inability of banks to manage their risks that has brought us to this point.

Another problem with Socialists is their inability to take any responsibility, and their ability to always find someone else to blame.

I think I can remember another incompetent Socialist who liked to blame everything on a Global Crisis.

BobQ

antrobus wrote: »

PASOK, the Panhellenic Socialist Movement.

The clue might be in the name.:)

They are a Social Democratic Party whatever their roots.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Panhellenic-Socialist-Movement