Our kids refused time off school during term time - please advice

Nessun_Dorma

pinkshoes wrote: »

I am also somewhat amused that in one post, you mock me for spending time phoning the parents of children who are underachieving, yet a few lines later accuse me of writing these kids off...

I work at a school where they know the importance of parental support in a child's education, so contacting parents is part of my job.

You can manipulate my posts as mush as you like, the simple fact is that your prejudices are clouding your judgement.

Just today I had a child contact me saying she will be going on holiday for two weeks, so could I let her know what she will be missing. I very much doubt two weeks off school will affect the grades of such a conscientious pupil.

It's a shame teachers cannot take a week off on term time! (Joke)

How much time will you have to spend with that student, when they return, so that they can catch up?

It is not your deciosn whether they can go or not.

I am assuming you are not and never have worked as a teacher...?

I spent four year as a Additional Needs Support Learning Assistant. I qualified specifically to be able help my eldest son, who is autistic. I worked with his school on a volunteer basis, so that they could allocate resources in order to help him. I was a key worker for six students at his school, spread across four year groups. I also worked with three other KS2 cohorts duirng this time.

Does that answer your rather arrogant and self-absorbed question.

Nessun_Dorma

Running_Horse wrote: »

Can we "fine" the teachers next time they go on strike?

It would help cover the extra childcare costs and inconvenience.

How about fining them a day's pay for each day the strike. That'll show 'em.

I would much rather the people that we entrust to educate our children were treated with fairness and dignity, be appropriately rewarded and for us to honour the agreements we made with them when they started the job. That way we have a contented group of professionals who can then focus on what is most important.

Jagraf

Nessun_Dorma wrote: »

How about fining them a day's pay for each day the strike. That'll show 'em.

I would much rather the people that we entrust to educate our children were treated with fairness and dignity, be appropriately rewarded and for us to honour the agreements we made with them when they started the job. That way we have a contented group of professionals who can then focus on what is most important.

You have to remember this thread is about cheap holidays taking priority over children's education Nessun

Petra_70

Nessun_Dorma wrote: »

I guess you work in a small parochial school, somewhere out in the remote countryside, where you don't have to put too much pressure on yourself, so you have the time to allocate to the children of parents who don't give a hoot.

I would say that wouldn't have the bottle.

Oh the irony! Parents, who take their children out of school during term time, are the very epitome of parents who don't care about their children's education.

I wonder, if the parents of the children you teach, are aware of your prejudices and that you write them off so eagerly.

Jagraf wrote: »

You have to remember this thread is about cheap holidays taking priority over children's education Nessun

Oh why don't you two just get off your high horse, quit the histrionics, and quit attacking and mocking anyone who doesn't agree with you!

All the two of you are doing is continually repeating yourself over and over and over, and frankly, it's getting boring and laughable now. Bleating the same sarcastic remarks continually, refusing to acknowledge that ANYBODY else's point may be valid, and spewing out catty remarks to anyone who dares to have a different view to you.

Some children will be affected by taking them out of school in term time, some won't, and some schools and teachers will be fine with it and some won't; but your silly sweeping generalisations that ALL children will be failures in life if their parents take them on holiday in school time now and again, and ALL parents who do this don't give a stuff about their children's education is ridiculous and pathetic.

There are no facts and figures ANYWHERE to prove your laughable claims. The reason for this is because keeping children off school in term time for a week or 2 weeks (even every year,) makes virtually ZERO difference to their education or grades!

Now just put a sock in it won't ya?! So many people have stopped posting on this thread now, because it's gotten boring, with you two gabbling on like you are right and everyone else is wrong!

coolcait

Petra_70 wrote: »

Oh why don't you two just get off your high horse, quit the histrionics, and quit attacking and mocking anyone who doesn't agree with you!

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A bit unfair to pick on only two posters, when this particular topic - which has been run on multiple threads over the months and years - is one which polarises opinion.


The accusation you make against those two posters could also be levelled against some of those who take the opposite stance. It could also be levelled at your own post.


I don't agree that people have stopped posting simply because of the contributions made by those two posters.


Some - and I am one of them - will have stopped posting because, 17 pages into the thread, it is quite clear that this is a topic where positions are entrenched, and there comes a point where the contributions from either side are just going to be a rehash of what has gone before.


Arguably, every time someone starts a thread about this topic, you could just provide links to all the previous threads and say "all the points for and against have already been made - read here". Bit boring for those who are new to the topic - all those new users like yourself.


As for the sub-discussion which usually comes up on these threads - "It's all the fault of the greedy travel companies who bump their prices up for holiday time", I'm in the 'supply and demand' camp on that one.


If we move to a position where families take holidays all year round, regardless of term-time or holiday time, then prices will be high all year round.

Petra_70

The reason I singled out those 2, is because they are the rudest and most sarcastic ones on here who seem utterly determined to not see ANYONE else's point of view, and just see fit to mock and berate anyone who disagrees with them.

Others disagree, but are not so sarcastic and rude.

Incidentally, I am not interested in the 'other threads over the years...' Why even bring any other thread up? I am posting on this one, and referring to people posting on this one. No need to mention any others at all.

bylromarha

Nessun_Dorma wrote: »

How much time will you have to spend with that student, when they return, so that they can catch up?

It is not your deciosn whether they can go or not.

You're right. It isn't the teachers decision, or the schools, or the LEAs. It's the parents decision. The parents can choose to accept a fine if they choose a term time holiday.

Nessun_Dorma wrote: »

I spent four year as a Additional Needs Support Learning Assistant. I qualified specifically to be able help my eldest son, who is autistic. I worked with his school on a volunteer basis, so that they could allocate resources in order to help him. I was a key worker for six students at his school, spread across four year groups. I also worked with three other KS2 cohorts duirng this time.

Does that answer your rather arrogant and self-absorbed question.

So the answer to pinkshoes question is no then.

coolcait

Petra_70 wrote: »

The reason I singled out those 2, is because they are the rudest and most sarcastic ones on here who seem utterly determined to not see ANYONE else's point of view, and just see fit to mock and berate anyone who disagrees with them.

Others disagree, but are not so sarcastic and rude.

Incidentally, I am not interested in the 'other threads over the years...' Why even bring any other thread up? I am posting on this one, and referring to people posting on this one. No need to mention any others at all.

As I said, although this is a topic which has been discussed at length, over many thread, over many months, people will still discuss the issue - especially when there are new posters, such as yourself, who are debating it for the first time on MSE - rather than simply referring them back to the previous threads.

With regards to rudeness, sarcasm, mockery, berating of others and being "utterly determined to not see ANYONE else's point of view", I do see all of those things in your posts to, and about, two other specific forum members.

Given your strength of feeling about those issues, I'm sure that you did not mean to post in that way - it's just the way that your posts come across. Perhaps the same also holds true for those who you see as 'rude' etc?