Is a mounted tablet legal for the driver?

RS2000.

AdrianC wrote: »

Unless and until you don't notice the traffic moving off. Or think it's moved off when it hasn't. Or don't notice the little old lady starting to cross between you and the car in front as it moves off. Or don't notice the cyclist leaning on your roof. Or don't notice the cyclist who's got caught on your truck having tried to squeeze through.

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Driver-Clive-Keegan-killed-cyclist-Martyn-Bamford/story-26581970-detail/story.html

It doesn't matter what the distraction is, or even if there was one. Careless driving is the standard of driving.

The actual device is only an issue if it is hand-held.

It's not a very difficult concept, unless you're actively trying to muddy the waters for some reason.

And until you fail to notice any of that then the offence hasn't taken place.

Herzlos

RS2000. wrote: »

Being in control of the braking, steering and momentum of the vehicle is accepted to be driving.

All of which you are in control of when stopped in traffic.

RS2000. wrote: »

And until you fail to notice any of that then the offence hasn't taken place.

True. But at what point will you notice that you've failed to notice any of that?
And how do you determine if you've failed to notice something that you should have noticed?

dannyrst

RS2000. wrote: »

And until you fail to notice any of that then the offence hasn't taken place.

And it's too late because you've caused an accident. Laws are there to prevent accidents, not just punish people after they have occurred.

RS2000.

Herzlos wrote: »

All of which you are in control of when stopped in traffic.

Thats why I said you're still driving.

True. But at what point will you notice that you've failed to notice any of that?
And how do you determine if you've failed to notice something that you should have noticed?

Having had an accident you could be prosecuted for careless but until you move off there is no evidence to prosecute. Unless the same applies to turning up the radio or heating.

RS2000.

dannyrst wrote: »

And it's too late because you've caused an accident. Laws are there to prevent accidents, not just punish people after they have occurred.

Exectly, but until you've had the accident there is no evidence of an offence.

Herzlos

RS2000. wrote: »

Having had an accident you could be prosecuted for careless but until you move off there is no evidence to prosecute. Unless the same applies to turning up the radio or heating.

So you're mostly agreeing with me, in an argumentative way? Fair enough.

If you think you'll be fine if you just happen to get away with it, then also fair enough.

My recommendation here is to not risk it. It's just not safe.

dannyrst

RS2000. wrote: »

Exectly, but until you've had the accident there is no evidence of an offence.

I'd find it hard to believe that there would be no evidence. Eye witness statements or camera footage?

RS2000.

Herzlos wrote: »

So you're mostly agreeing with me, in an argumentative way? Fair enough.

If you think you'll be fine if you just happen to get away with it, then also fair enough.

My recommendation here is to not risk it. It's just not safe.

What I'm saying is the mere act of touching a tablet that is fitted in a way as not to be handheld isn't an offence.

If you want to prosecute for any offence you'd require evidence covering the necessary points to prove.

You're just shouting due care without any thought as to why it is or isn't.

RS2000.

dannyrst wrote: »

I'd find it hard to believe that there would be no evidence. Eye witness statements or camera footage?

!!!!!! when stationary why is the standard of your driving below the standard of a competent driver?

AdrianC

RS2000. wrote: »

Exectly, but until you've had the accident there is no evidence of an offence.

Not so sure about that...

You're in a stripy Volvo, sat at the lights. The guy in front is mucking about with his fondleslab, securely held in a cradle on the dash. The lights turn green. He's too engrossed in reading his email to notice. Eventually, he notices, and wellies it away, narrowly missing the car coming from the other direction who's taken the opportunity to turn right, across his path.

Do you put the lights on and invite him to spend some time at the roadside in your company?
Has there been an accident? No.
Is he driving carelessly? Well, you tell me. It could easily be viewed as dangerous, but a £100/3pt FPN for careless, and a roadside bollocking, would sound to be the right result to me.