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  • NedS
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    edited 3 July at 8:37PM
    ed110220 said:
    QrizB said:
    That's quite impressive.
    US$59 is about £43, so my hypothetical  "container ship full of batteries" with 16GWh of storage would be £690M:
    You could put half a dozen of them at the major container ports around the UK and all of a sudden we've got 100GWh of distributed storage ...

    Great news, but one possible concern I have is that cheap PV and now cheap batteries are going to give a big advantage to places with excellent solar resources year-round and disadvantage places like N Europe where winter days are short and tend towards cloudiness.

    Like places who were sat on huge reserves of oil and natural gas have had a huge advantage for the last 50 years.
    They will find a way to export the power just like they export oil and gas down huge inter-continental pipelines.

  • ed110220
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    NedS said:
    ed110220 said:
    QrizB said:
    That's quite impressive.
    US$59 is about £43, so my hypothetical  "container ship full of batteries" with 16GWh of storage would be £690M:
    You could put half a dozen of them at the major container ports around the UK and all of a sudden we've got 100GWh of distributed storage ...

    Great news, but one possible concern I have is that cheap PV and now cheap batteries are going to give a big advantage to places with excellent solar resources year-round and disadvantage places like N Europe where winter days are short and tend towards cloudiness.

    Like places who were sat on huge reserves of oil and natural gas have had a huge advantage for the last 50 years.
    They will find a way to export the power just like they export oil and gas down huge inter-continental pipelines.

    Yes, I'm a bit dubious about exporting energy itself, but I can see very energy intensive processes like aluminium smelting, ammonia/fertiliser production, maybe iron ore reduction etc going to places like that. And nothing wrong with that really.
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  • Martyn1981
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    I had no idea that tidal stream turbines could potentially run for multiple years without the need for servicing. Live and learn.

    Energy breakthrough as underwater turbine spins for six years off Scotland’s coast

    A tidal turbine submerged off the Scottish coast has achieved a significant milestone, operating continuously for more than six years to harness the power of ocean tides for electricity. This remarkable durability, with the unit spinning approximately 40 metres (44 yards) below the surface, underscores the technology's commercial viability.

    According to the trade association Ocean Energy Europe, maintaining a large, grid-scale turbine in such a harsh marine environment for this duration is a record. This longevity is crucial, as it helps pave the way for the development of larger tidal energy farms and significantly enhances the sector's appeal to investors. The proven resilience of the technology mitigates the prohibitive costs that would arise if turbines required frequent removal for maintenance.
    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Martyn1981
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    Speaking of long life expectancy, another article has surprised me - It details a number of old wind farms, some are refurbished with new/larger WT's on the same site, some have the old WT's transported for second life use, and to my surprise, some 25yr old 2MW WT's have been certified for another 25yrs .... nice.

    Wind Farms Outlast Expectations: Longevity Matches Nuclear

    However, the perception that nuclear alone can deliver these multi-decade operational lifetimes has recently been challenged by a growing body of evidence from the wind sector. Denmark provides perhaps the clearest recent example, notably through its decision to extend the lifespan of the Middelgrunden offshore wind farm. Middelgrunden, located near Copenhagen, was originally commissioned in 2000 with an anticipated operational life of 25 years. Rather than decommissioning the turbines as previously planned, Danish authorities and the farm’s operators have certified Middelgrunden for another 25 years, effectively doubling its operational lifetime to a full 50 years.

    The extension involves no major repowering effort or equipment replacement. Instead, it relies primarily on proactive maintenance, regular inspections, and repairs. Middelgrunden’s turbines, each rated at 2 megawatts, are set to remain operational until around 2050, illustrating clearly that wind infrastructure can achieve lifespan parity with nuclear plants.
    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Coastalwatch
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    Speaking of long life expectancy, another article has surprised me - It details a number of old wind farms, some are refurbished with new/larger WT's on the same site, some have the old WT's transported for second life use, and to my surprise, some 25yr old 2MW WT's have been certified for another 25yrs .... nice.

    Wind Farms Outlast Expectations: Longevity Matches Nuclear

    However, the perception that nuclear alone can deliver these multi-decade operational lifetimes has recently been challenged by a growing body of evidence from the wind sector. Denmark provides perhaps the clearest recent example, notably through its decision to extend the lifespan of the Middelgrunden offshore wind farm. Middelgrunden, located near Copenhagen, was originally commissioned in 2000 with an anticipated operational life of 25 years. Rather than decommissioning the turbines as previously planned, Danish authorities and the farm’s operators have certified Middelgrunden for another 25 years, effectively doubling its operational lifetime to a full 50 years.

    The extension involves no major repowering effort or equipment replacement. Instead, it relies primarily on proactive maintenance, regular inspections, and repairs. Middelgrunden’s turbines, each rated at 2 megawatts, are set to remain operational until around 2050, illustrating clearly that wind infrastructure can achieve lifespan parity with nuclear plants.

    That's good news Mart and especially for those on here who have invested in wind generation generally.
    It's also quite timely in that it follows a similar example of EV longevity, or rather battery life discovered when I came across this video today from Clevely about one of their service vehicles!




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  • Martyn1981
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    This Aussie project caught my eye for a couple of reasons.

    Firstly it is a 100MW PV farm, with 200MW of storage capacity and 4-8hr of energy, so 800MWh to 1,600MWh, which seems like a very good mix/ratio for Aus.

    Secondly, the approval period is staggering at just 17 days. Maybe this is just an anomaly, but potentially more evidence that Australia is embracing RE on the grid, to reduce its high emissions.

    Australia: Zen Energy sees solar-plus-storage site with up to 8-hour BESS approved in 17 days

    Zen Energy has seen a 200MW solar-plus-storage project in Queensland approved by the Australian government, which could feature a battery energy storage system (BESS) between 4 and 8 hours in duration.

    The approval comes via the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (EPBC) Act. Zen Energy launched the application on behalf of its joint venture with Taiwan’s HD Renewable Energy, ZEBRE.

    Australia’s minister for the environment, Murray Watt, noted that the approval process for the project took just 17 days.

    “This was made possible because the 267-hectare project site was designed so its environmental impacts were minimised,” Watt added.

    “It will be located on predominantly cleared land, so there’s an option for agricultural use on the site, including sheep grazing through the solar array, demonstrating once again that there’s ways for renewables and agriculture to work together.”
    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
  • Martyn1981
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    Have to admit I'm impressed. It appears that all of the off-shore wind turbines around Taiwan, hit by a Typhoon, are undamaged and working.

    Power grid disrupted, offshore turbines undamaged by Typhoon Danas

    Taipei, July 7 (CNA) More than 400 offshore wind turbines remained undamaged as Typhoon Danas swept across Taiwan Monday, while electricity was restored to over 450,000 households affected by power outages, according to the Energy Administration and Taiwan Power Co. (Taipower).
    In 2017, Taiwan and Japan jointly introduced a new typhoon-resistance standard requiring offshore wind turbines to meet Class T specifications, officials with the agency said.

    Under this standard, turbines must be able to withstand an average wind speed of 57 meters per second over a 10-minute period -- equivalent to a Beaufort scale 17 wind, or a typhoon -- prosecutors said, noting that this requirement is stricter than Europe's Class 1A standard.
    Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.

    For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.
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