Lawful for cops to hack into your computer/phone

Strider590

kwikbreaks wrote: »

It would be interesting to know what % of UK users are worried about HMG, NSA, etc. spying on them and what % just want to still be able to access TPB etc. post the court orders telling big ISPs to block them

You clearly don't understand.......

I use VPN, not because of anyone snooping on me, I use VPN because I believe in net neutrality, the internet should be open, never filtered, never blocked.

The piracy argument is just a smoke screen, one that works because jealous technophobes secretly wish they knew how to do it themselves. Just as with VCR back in the 1980's, lots of people condemned the illegal copying of movies, but those same people soon turned when they found out how to do it themselves.

How many times have you been unable to watch a Youtube video because it's "blocked in your country"?

Why should I pay more for online services JUST because I live in the UK? VPN let's me see pricing for every country in the world.

Did you know there are news websites which UK citizens cannot access? Websites that often have a different "political spin" to what we get from the UK media?
We're fast approaching a time where UK citizens will have no idea what is really going on in the world.

If the motivation behind filtering/blocking was really to stop criminals/perverts/etc, then it has failed, because these people are now hiding on private networks, using encrypted non-commercial VPN, where they go unchecked, unseen and unpunished.

People need to wake the hell up and realise that what this is really about is control and profit/greed.

How long before the people controlling the filters, start taking payments from big business, to block rival websites?

We're also fast approaching a point where ISPs could potentially start subscription based internet access, where you pay for a package to access certain sites (no different to Sky/Cable TV).

"It won't affect me" just doesn't cut it. It affects everyone, you, me and the future generations.

Famous quote time:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

kwikbreaks

It would still be interesting to know that percentage though...

baxie

Big_Graeme wrote: »

No party member is allowed to be critical of the party, the leadership or any other member. The words are "accept that no member shall within or outwith the parliament publicly criticise a group decision, policy or another member of the group".

Have a look at the plans for an integrated ID database goes places Nu Labour backed away from.

The new named person law is a shocking intrusion into everyone's lives.

Its support for TTIP.

Its policies of slashing taxes for big business.

but hey, freedom and all that...

Thank you for this information, I had heard of this a while ago, but I looked into it due to your post. The database proposal is unacceptable, Labour did back away from it after protest, and I hope the SNP will do the same.

I think the "named person" idea comes from wanting to help, but not in any way that is useful to people, but very useful to governments.

As for TTIP, I have already signed several petitions regarding this utterly contemptable idea. If this goes through we may as well become part of the USA as they, or their big business will be able to do whatever they wish to our country or they will sue us.

"but hey, freedom and all that.."

Widelats

OK i got a VPN and i am using Tor for some websites too, also trying to figure out PGP that is tricky but none of my contacts use these so looks like i will be the only one

Still, if it opens up the web and sets the cops/agencies/spys off on a wild goose chase to someone else, that is good enough for me.

Thanks everyone.

ChiefGrasscutter

I'll bet you will change your attitude quite rapidly when it is YOU or your family or your children caught up in some terrorist incident.

Strider590

ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »

I'll bet you will change your attitude quite rapidly when it is YOU or your family or your children caught up in some terrorist incident.

That's not going to happen, that's not how it works and it wasn't for censorship, networks like Tor would not exist. In trying to control and stop freedom of information, they've actually created a haven for illegal activity.
The powers that be thought it was simple and they're refusing to accept that the internet cannot be controlled by any one entity, but everything they do, everything they try, just sends illegal activities deeper into the internet, to places where no authority can reach.

They should have left it alone, but corporate greed and political corruption never stop.

Mr_Toad

Strider590 wrote: »

That's not going to happen, that's not how it works and it wasn't for censorship, networks like Tor would not exist. In trying to control and stop freedom of information, they've actually created a haven for illegal activity.
The powers that be thought it was simple and they're refusing to accept that the internet cannot be controlled by any one entity, but everything they do, everything they try, just sends illegal activities deeper into the internet, to places where no authority can reach.

They should have left it alone, but corporate greed and political corruption never stop.

Censorship had little to with it, TOR was created by one of the powers that be.

Specifically by the US Navy research labs, it was made freely available by them to allow anyone access to anonymous internet activity. So hardly an act of government control.

And, like anything else it can be used for both good and bad. By those persecuted for their beliefs and by their oppressors, terrorists or criminals.

The man doesn't get everything his own way though, far from it.

I like maps and until very recently our very own OS maps had large blank spaces where government research labs, depots, explosive factories and bases etc. were.

It had been policy since the beginning not to map these places that would still be in place but for the fact that things like Google earth made it pointless.

Not only do they show up on the freely available on-line maps but you can get a great view from the satellite pictures.

Strider590

Mr_Toad wrote: »

Censorship had little to with it, TOR was created by one of the powers that be.

Specifically by the US Navy research labs, it was made freely available by them to allow anyone access to anonymous internet activity. So hardly an act of government control.

I would argue it was made freely available because funding was removed to shut down the project. However the fact remains that it and networks LIKE it would not be in use to anywhere near the current level if censorship and blocking had not been implemented.

Govts want Tor shut down, the media runs stories about it and the "dark web" every now and then, but they fail to mention the good/positive things it is used for. Everyone you speak to has an opinion about it, but very few people know what it is. To them it's just this evil internet where pedos and drug dealers live, but in truth this is a very small amount of what actually happens over Tor.

gjchester

Widelats wrote: »

Still, if it opens up the web and sets the cops/agencies/spys off on a wild goose chase to someone else, that is good enough for me.

TOR protocols are often used by malware and Botnet controllers, because its hard to identify where they go and what they carry, however your ISP WILL be able to point to you as using a form of VPN, and a packet analyser will be able to see what protocol the traffic is.

They may not be able to see your destination or what you sending, but they will know you are using TOR, and if they are taking that much of an interest in you then the authorities will have plenty of other ways to get your data.

Mr_Toad

Strider590 wrote: »

I would argue it was made freely available because funding was removed to shut down the project. However the fact remains that it and networks LIKE it would not be in use to anywhere near the current level if censorship and blocking had not been implemented.

Govts want Tor shut down, the media runs stories about it and the "dark web" every now and then, but they fail to mention the good/positive things it is used for. Everyone you speak to has an opinion about it, but very few people know what it is. To them it's just this evil internet where pedos and drug dealers live, but in truth this is a very small amount of what actually happens over Tor.

Except funding wasn't removed.

The US Govt. still funds it, up until 2012 it fundeded 80% of the project, I have no idea if this is still true but they are still involved as far as I know.

And while one government agency is funding the project and hailing it as a great freedom for the poeople another government funded ageny, the NSA, see it as a huge problem to it's goals and would love to shut it down but that's democracy in action, checks and balances.