JLA/VCS , cockup letter

enfield_freddy

seems a person did not edit a standard letter before sending it


http://www.theterminalhut.com/public/standard.doc

CUSTOMER SERVICES – STANDARD RESPONSES

(To be tailored to suit a reply to customer’s query)

BYELAWS


Dear [ ]


I apologise for the delay in responding. I can confirm that the airport roads are private roads at Liverpool John Lennon Airport (the “Airport”). The Airport is not currently using byelaws and have not for some time. The last set of byelaws for the Airport are over 30 years old and relate to an old airport site which was vacated in the mid-1980s. This set are therefore regarded as obsolete by the Airport Company.


A new set of byelaws for the present Airport site are currently in draft and going through the necessary approval process, but are not, as yet, in place. Once the necessary approval has been received this set will be uploaded to the Airport website for public access.


Kind regards,


[Customer Services]


RED ROUTE (N.B. INERNAL NOTE: agreement ends July 2015)


Dear [ ]


I confirm that Vehicle Control Services Limited (“VCS”) have been contracted by Liverpool John Lennon airport to monitor roads on the airport’s private land. A scheme known as the “Red Route" established no stopping zones on the airport approach roads and dedicated emergency access routes. CCTV vehicles are used in the enforcement of this scheme in line with airport policy. However I unable to provide you with a copy of the contract.


Liverpool Airport is a private company and therefore legislation under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 does not apply.


Kind regards,


[Customer Services]


FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT


(This wording has been provided to Robin Tudor, Christina Smith, Abigail Titley, Lisa Farrington & Ste Taylor on 17 June 2014 at 15.46)


The Freedom of Information Act 2000 (“FOIA”) gives any person and companies access to any information held by public authorities, enabling the public to participate in the discussion of policy issues and so improve the quality of government decision making. The FOIA applies to public authorities in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Airport is owned by a private company, not a public authority and is therefore not subject for the provisions of the FOIA.





Regards,



the bylaws held by Liverpool counsil , are here https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/186739/response/462160/attach/html/3/289941%20Jameson%20att1%20191213.pdf.html


and are active

trisontana

Not true about the "old airport site". All that happened that the present runway was built in the early 1960's someway south-east of the old runways. As this new runway was a fair distance from the old terminal then a new terminal was built in 1986. The old runways were finally closed in 1982.

As you see the airport , although the the runway and terminal were moved to the south -east, the actual airport is basically on the same parcel of land.

(Thanks to the ABC British Airports book for the above information)

enfield_freddy

yup , the bylaws (as of 1982) are here https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/198654/response/495713/attach/html/4/Byelaws%20for%20Liverpool%20John%20Lennon%20Airport.pdf.html


Liverpool council would have requested them to be updated after the rebuild , it must have been , that in a full council meeting they saw no change.


we just need to find one newspaper report over the last 20 yrs or so of a person being charged under airport bylaws for drunk or something , must have happened?


one reported case , and the castle of cards tumbles

ManxRed

I think the interesting bit might be the sentence about the agreement ending on 15th July.

We know that letters about private parking contain untruths. They wouldn't be letters about private parking without them.

enfield_freddy

gotb it , an offence under airport bylaws , charged in court http://80sreborn.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/laser-attacks-on-planes-are-surging.html


" In February 2010, a 16-year-old was fined £250 after admitting to shining a laser pen, purchased on eBay for £8, into the cockpit of an easyJet flight from Belfast to Liverpool.

"




so , selective usage , ?

hoohoo

enfield_freddy wrote: »

gotb it , an offence under airport bylaws , charged in court http://80sreborn.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/laser-attacks-on-planes-are-surging.html


" In February 2010, a 16-year-old was fined £250 after admitting to shining a laser pen, purchased on eBay for £8, into the cockpit of an easyJet flight from Belfast to Liverpool."

so , selective usage , ?

Since 2010, shining a laser or light at an aircraft in flight has been a specific criminal offence

Does not seem like a byelaws offence to me. I will keep searching.

enfield_freddy

yup wonder when the law was past


ok nice reading http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/an-open-letter-to-simon-renshaw-smith.html


so the "fine" is actually £5

hoohoo

http://www.ryanair.com/doc/apt/parking/LPL.pdf

This document, apparently issued by the airport, suggests byelaws are in place and relate to parking.

Entry to or use of the car parks at Liverpool John Lennon Airport (“the airport”) is subject to the current terms and conditions of Liverpool Airport Limited (“the Company”) and the airport byelaws regulating the use and operation of the airport and the conduct of all persons while within the airport. These conditions contain limited exemption clauses affecting all persons who enter or use the car parks. Copies are available for inspection on request.

bazster

enfield_freddy wrote: »

gotb it , an offence under airport bylaws , charged in court http://80sreborn.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/laser-attacks-on-planes-are-surging.html


" In February 2010, a 16-year-old was fined £250 after admitting to shining a laser pen, purchased on eBay for £8, into the cockpit of an easyJet flight from Belfast to Liverpool.

"




so , selective usage , ?

Nope, that's absolutely nothing to do with the byelaws.

This document, dating from 3013/2014, refers to the byelaws:

http://www.liverpoolairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/conditions-of-use-13-14.pdf

6. GENERAL CONDITIONS OF USE
6.1 The use of the Airport is subject to the following conditions:
....
6.1.2 Compliance with Airport Byelaws, instructions orders as published from time to time by the
Company, the Civil Aviation Authority, the DfT or UK Border Authority.

esmerobbo

trisontana wrote: »

Not true about the "old airport site". All that happened that the present runway was built in the early 1960's someway south-east of the old runways. As this new runway was a fair distance from the old terminal then a new terminal was built in 1986. The old runways were finally closed in 1982.

As you see the airport , although the the runway and terminal were moved to the south -east, the actual airport is basically on the same parcel of land.

(Thanks to the ABC British Airports book for the above information)

Which I can confirm as this was my playground from the early sixties, and was often seen covered in mud and clay after sliding down the bund they had to build to protect Speke hall, from the new runway.

Still quoting the emergency access for the need to have no stopping on Speke hall avenue, but forget you can stop on the roads all around the airport except for the section Peel own. Strange they have the same no stopping conditions on the industrial estate next door.

The main emergency access is on Hale road which is actually the main entrance to JLA.

I can understand the need to have a no parking restriction on Speke hall avenue, as there should be on Hale and Dunlop roads, which are DYL's but people park there all day. If stopping is such a security risk, or obstruction then why is it not enforced on these roads which are by the way just a two way stretch of road not a wide dual carriageway like Speke hall avenue.

No matter what excuse they come up with, it is simply a money making racket, they know people will stop briefly to drop people off, to avoid having to enter the airport, and pay a fee.

If they did need to use Speke hall avenue for emergency access what is the chances of all four lanes being blocked by stopping cars? Also why are the emergency gates on Hale road, Oglet Lane and in Speke hall grounds not monitored? Same goes for the security excuse I could go now and park without a problem on I would say 80% of the airports perimeter.

I have a request in to Merseyside police for the officer in charge for the Airport, they did have a airport division but it seems to have disappeared, I am going to ask him/her if the statement made by VCS that they have the police's backing for their scheme is correct, and if so why do they not enforce on all the other perimeter roads, where cars are left all day long. Also where taxi's wait for arrivals to avoid the dropping of picking up charges.

enfield_freddy

bazster wrote: »

Nope, that's absolutely nothing to do with the byelaws.

This document, dating from 3013/2014, refers to the byelaws:

http://www.liverpoolairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/conditions-of-use-13-14.pdf

6. GENERAL CONDITIONS OF USE
6.1 The use of the Airport is subject to the following conditions:
....
6.1.2 Compliance with Airport Byelaws, instructions orders as published from time to time by the
Company, the Civil Aviation Authority, the DfT or UK Border Authority.

the doc dated 2014 , is just that , a doc published by ryon or whoever .


A bylaw is determined by the local council and published by them , not a 2 bit airline PDF


until the doc has been seen and signed off by the council , its just a DOC , without law.