Strange jsa before going onto esa.

Flyonthewall

mtwiscool wrote: »

So if you ware told to apply for all jobs you are capable of in a area with loads of jobs how would that be possible when a tailored cv?

That's the point, you don't apply for every single job because it is not possible to tailor your CV to each and apply for hundreds of jobs each day.

You take your time, tailor your CV and apply for as many as you can each day.

You do not need to apply for all jobs, especially not in one day.

I remember applying for 80 jobs in 1 hour.

The jobs qualified for is around 70% (C&Q English and numeracy adult L1) that was application bombing and i noticed it said 476 new jobs within that hour.

Why would jcp every set impossible tasks?

80 jobs an hour is far too many. Most don't do that in a week. Some won't even do that in a month.

They're not setting an impossible task, you just can not take what they've said that literally.

I agree with tomtontom, you need to talk to your support worker about it.

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As i said i am no longer on jsa and have not been for months.

This was a question on why do they sometimes ask things like this?

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Did JCP every get you to apply for 100's a jobs per day?


No i am not on jsa at the moment so please do not ask as it is getting frustrating and offtopic

jobbingmusician

mtwiscool, I think what has happened is that either your job coach said something which you have interpreted too literally, or there is something written in your JCP agreement which is written in an unfortunate way. I agree with you that it is possible that your JCP agreement is poorly written. I would stake a lot of money on the fact that the JCP didn't actually want you to apply for every single job available. If your job coach had been a bit more perceptive (and I think it's very poor that they weren't) they should have realised that you were doing FAR too many applications and could not make quality applications if you followed their poor instructions.

I can sort of understand that someone on JSA might be asked to apply for all relevant jobs (especially if what this actually means is that someone is not allowed to turn down a job) but if a coach is presented with someone who has Aspergers and lives in supported accommodation, SURELY they would have the common sense to set a realistic target for job applications each week?

I believe your initial post contains two implied questions.

Were you treated fairly and sensibly by the job centre - no you were not.

Is your JCP job agreement sensible and enforceable - if it contains the requirement to apply for ALL SUITABLE JOBS, then no it isn't. Your coach should have talked through with you, when they found you had done hundreds of applications, that what they actually meant was that you should apply for any suitable jobs but ALSO make sure you did quality applications, and they should have given you a target number of jobs to apply for each day or each week.

I hope this helps you in clarifying that there were obviously errors made in your case. It makes me despair that JCP workers are now supposed to work as generalists, with very few DEA's available, when they obviously have so little grasp of a fairly common disability.

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jobbingmusician wrote: »

mtwiscool, I think what has happened is that either your job coach said something which you have interpreted too literally, or there is something written in your JCP agreement which is written in an unfortunate way. I agree with you that it is possible that your JCP agreement is poorly written. I would stake a lot of money on the fact that the JCP didn't actually want you to apply for every single job available. If your job coach had been a bit more perceptive (and I think it's very poor that they weren't) they should have realised that you were doing FAR too many applications and could not make quality applications if you followed their poor instructions.

I can sort of understand that someone on JSA might be asked to apply for all relevant jobs (especially if what this actually means is that someone is not allowed to turn down a job) but if a coach is presented with someone who has Aspergers and lives in supported accommodation, SURELY they would have the common sense to set a realistic target for job applications each week?

I believe your initial post contains two implied questions.

Were you treated fairly and sensibly by the job centre - no you were not.

Is your JCP job agreement sensible and enforceable - if it contains the requirement to apply for ALL SUITABLE JOBS, then no it isn't. Your coach should have talked through with you, when they found you had done hundreds of applications, that what they actually meant was that you should apply for any suitable jobs but ALSO make sure you did quality applications, and they should have given you a target number of jobs to apply for each day or each week.

I hope this helps you in clarifying that there were obviously errors made in your case. It makes me despair that JCP workers are now supposed to work as generalists, with very few DEA's available, when they obviously have so little grasp of a fairly common disability.

As i said before i am no longer on jsa.

It really did say all sutible jobs on the agreement.

They was no qauilty requirement on the agreement at all.

And i did not have to chase up the applications aka if they did not reply i did not have to find out what is happening.

That type of agreement would of made sense in a low job location like Manchester but not in North Norfolk.

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Anyone else got a simler type of agreement?

Flyonthewall

We get you're not on JSA but that's what the question is about so you're going to keep getting people saying JSA.

The agreement for everyone is to apply for jobs to get JSA. Obviously they expect you to apply for suitable jobs. And yes, they all use the general term of telling people to apply for all suitable jobs.

But once again, they do not mean it that literally when there are hundreds of suitable jobs each day.

They don't state quality because they expect you to take your time and do a quality application because they assume you want to work and will therefore make sure your applications are good quality to give yourself the best chance of getting a job.

It may not be on the agreement but if you want a job it makes sense to follow up on applications if you don't get a reply. Work programmes push you to do that. The job centre don't care, they're just there to make sure you're actually apply for jobs and to sign you on. They're not there to walk you through each step and explain the full process in detail, although they do offer courses on job searching among other things.

People all have their own personal agreements of applying for a certain type of job and/or applying for so many a week. The main agreement though is the same for everyone and is therefore very general because it's basically what you need to do to qualify for JSA (i.e. apply for suitable jobs).

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Flyonthewall wrote: »

We get you're not on JSA but that's what the question is about so you're going to keep getting people saying JSA.

The agreement for everyone is to apply for jobs to get JSA. Obviously they expect you to apply for suitable jobs. And yes, they all use the general term of telling people to apply for all suitable jobs.

But once again, they do not mean it that literally when there are hundreds of suitable jobs each day.

They don't state quality because they expect you to take your time and do a quality application because they assume you want to work and will therefore make sure your applications are good quality to give yourself the best chance of getting a job.

It may not be on the agreement but if you want a job it makes sense to follow up on applications if you don't get a reply. Work programmes push you to do that. The job centre don't care, they're just there to make sure you're actually apply for jobs and to sign you on. They're not there to walk you through each step and explain the full process in detail, although they do offer courses on job searching among other things.

People all have their own personal agreements of applying for a certain type of job and/or applying for so many a week. The main agreement though is the same for everyone and is therefore very general because it's basically what you need to do to qualify for JSA (i.e. apply for suitable jobs).

If it has that you have to apply for all jobs you are capable of (as was writting in my agreement) then would you do that and rush applications or would you take your time and be in breech?


Do all jsa agreements have this strange tarm in it?

Flyonthewall

mtwiscool wrote: »

If it has that you have to apply for all jobs you are capable of (as was writting in my agreement) then would you do that and rush applications or would you take your time and be in breech?


Do all jsa agreements have this strange tarm in it?

Again, it can not be taken literally.

I'm not sure how many times that has to be said. So I would take my time and do applications properly and apply for as many as I could.

No advisor is going to say there were 200 jobs that day, why did you only apply for 199. They wouldn't even say anything if you only applied for 20. They're not going to check how many jobs there were that day.

They would not see it as a breech because they don't expect you to apply for hundreds of jobs daily (or even weekly).

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I might be moving to supported living soon.
is they any tips?