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prunesquallor

Reggie_Rebel wrote: »

Were salaries discussed before she got the new job, have you seen the salary she's moving to on an offer letter? Again it comes back to the basic fact that you probably have no proof and could well be getting worked up for nothing

I didn't realise it at the time, but we discussed our salaries a couple of days after she handed in her notice having found the new job. I haven't seen the salary, but again, she's no reason to lie about that. Most people go to a higher salary (unless you're changing career path).

Reggie_Rebel wrote: »

What you are doing is getting unhappy of what you perceive someone else is earning.

The problem I have is that there is a disconnect somewhere - I'm not being paid as much as some one who is both slacking and doing far less technical work. We've worked here for a similar period - I may have started a year or so after her. It just doesn't compute.

It's even worse now as it's her last few weeks so she's doing even less - in this case winding down makes sense, however I've not seen any effort on her part or the managers to hand over to a replacement... Bizarre. That said, one of our managers is able to do what she does (better) so I guess the manager will do the training.

The thing is, my annoyance with the above is coupled with the fact that my work stack dried up recently, so things have become boring. I would normally raise this straight away but I'm deliberately leaving my stack clear so i can get on with the below.

Luckily, the Salesforce project is just taking off so I am getting on with self training with a view to certification - which I think is the correct response to all this. With any luck, I'll be in a position to move on when I've gained enough experience.

PlutoinCapricorn

Concentrating on your own career is the best option. I have seen innumerable cases of people who earn more than they should, and learned to ignore it. It happens, and it is not worth getting upset about.

Learning how to tailor Salesforce, and how to convert other databases to it, should be useful for the future.

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robatwork

You haven't quite dealt with the issue that she may have been lying or mistaken about her salary.

How would you feel if she was earning £1,000 less than you?

If your response is "she has no reason to lie" then that calls for you knowing the operation of her brain.....maybe her general moany demeanor wants her to stir things up for you and the management.

prunesquallor

robatwork wrote: »

You haven't quite dealt with the issue that she may have been lying or mistaken about her salary... maybe her general moany demeanor wants her to stir things up for you and the management.

I had considered the stirring option - as she isn't the easiest to get on with. It's unlikely that she's lying but either way there's nothing I can do about it so I think I'm done venting about this now. I just wanted somewhere to let off steam to be honest and I couldn't do that at work.

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

Concentrating on your own career is the best option. I have seen innumerable cases of people who earn more than they should, and learned to ignore it. Learning how to tailor Salesforce, and how to convert other databases to it, should be useful for the future.

Thanks, agreed.

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

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Thanks again, it also seems to be heavily used outside of not for profit - at the world tour I attended were several big name clients of Salesforce.

My next question is: say for example I were to get developer and/or admin certified in 6 months time. By that stage I will have had exposure to setting up processes on Salesforce. Do you think at that point I could consider looking around for Salesforce jobs? I only ask because so many job postings ask for 2 years experience.

I've always found that strange because you could have some one learn a technology in a year and know more than a longer term user. For a lot of people having X years experience just means using the same functionality over and over as opposed to X years growth...

I'm rather hoping that if I have some good examples of work in 6 months that I may be attractive to a few Salesforce clients? Or is that just wishful thinking?

prunesquallor

Another potential issue with my situation. So I'm now committed to changing career path to becoming a Salesforce developer and then moving on. I've got on with Salesforce online training and documenting process flows etc. in preparation for developing for this Salesforce project I've been unofficially assigned to.

However despite trying to drive things along I'm not really hearing from any of the managers so I now have doubts as to whether I will actually end up being the developer for this project. This would obviously ruin my plans of a future career. I was invited to the initial meeting on Salesforce and I am being set up with access. Perhaps they just trust me to get on with it?

So if it does fall through, I've heard that many charities use Salesforce. So is it worth doing some weekend/evening work for free for a charity? - Just to gain experience with the platform. Does such a thing exist? Or perhaps I could apply for a junior Salesforce position? If I do that I know it would mean a pay cut even with certification but as long as there's room to progress I wouldn't mind. Are there any cases where Salesforce admin/developers are doing this for small companies on a freelance basis? Any advice?

Zyx

I don't understand your problem. Everyone is different and the salary you are receiving only really tells us about your career. Perhaps she had more experience prior to starting so they had to pay her more to attract her whereas you started from scratch? Pay never reflects someone's performance.

If you want more money just hunt for a new job. How long have you been there? If you've been there for a year or two and this is how you feel then switch companies. After you are being made an offer by another company go to your superior and tell him you were made an offer that is X higher than what he is getting and you feel that you are contributing a lot more than others who get paid more. If he doesn't care then just move on. Welcome to the world dude. Also was not surprised to hear that the first person you complained about is a girl. Knew a girl myself at university and apparently she started working for a large company a few weeks ago and yet every time I go on Facebook she was online less than an hour ago but of course saying this is sexist. Today it's all about looks, charm and being likeable to get jobs and promotions. This is the 'flying car' future we have all thought of 15 years ago.

prunesquallor

Zyx wrote: »

Perhaps she had more experience prior to starting so they had to pay her more to attract her whereas you started from scratch?

This one isn't true - all the skills need for her job were specific to this company so she needed to learn them. I know you only have my word, but her job was technically easier than mine and we had the same manager who would have been very well aware of this.

Zyx wrote: »

Pay never reflects someone's performance.

I see that now. But shouldn't pay reflect performance? Shouldn't we get paid based on merit as opposed to circumstance?

Zyx wrote: »

How long have you been there? If this is how you feel then switch companies. After you are being made an offer by another company go to your superior and tell him you were made an offer that is X higher than what he is getting and you feel that you are contributing a lot more than others who get paid more.

10 years so quite a while - but up until recently I've always had a fairly busy work stack but it's recently suddenly dried up, hence the Salesforce learning frenzy. Don't think I would want to discuss offers at this point - seems I'm better off just going if/when I get another offer - even if it's for less pay.