Civil ceremony in a Chapel/Church?

Gloomendoom

Mojisola wrote: »

A 'religious wedding' without the legal means the couple aren't married - they might feel it's more important to them but their legal status hasn't changed.

They don't care about their 'legal' status. They want to be married in the eyes of God.

Is that really so hard to understand?

The only way to be legally married in this country is to fulfill the legal requirements.

I agree.

And the only way to be married in the eyes of God in certain cultures is by having religious wedding ceremony. The civil service is no good on its own

Jagraf

I'm thinking of visiting a vegan restaurant and demanding they cook me sausages next week.

Georgiegirl256

In the eyes of god they may be married, but in the eyes of the law they are not.

So legally if a couple doesn't have the registry office (or wherever) service afterwards (or before) then they are not by law married.

People can believe what they want, but that is a fact. If people are happy to forgo the legal benefits a marriage brings, then that's up to them.

Gloomendoom

Georgiegirl256 wrote: »

In the eyes of god they may be married, but in the eyes of the law they are not.

So legally if a couple doesn't have the registry office (or wherever) service afterwards (or before) then they are not by law married.

People can believe what they want, but that is a fact. If people are happy to forgo the legal benefits a marriage brings, then that's up to them.

See post above. Being legally married isn't the highest priority to them, just as it presumably isn't to the millions of non-religious unmarried cohabiting couples in this country.

System

In the eyes of god they may be married, but in the eyes of the law they are not.

So legally if a couple doesn't have the registry office (or wherever) service afterwards (or before) then they are not by law married.

The bible says:

Romans 13 vs 1

'Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God'.

So if the couple is not lawfully married, then they aren't married in the eyes of God.

Gloomendoom

Judi wrote: »

The bible says:

Romans 13 vs 1

'Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God'.

So if the couple is not lawfully married, then they aren't married in the eyes of God.

The problem is that some people use a different bible, and even then they can't all agree on how to interpret it.

Registration of marriage and civil ceremony

There are so far no reliable statistics on what proportion of Muslims who get married in Britain have both a civil marriage (e.g., in a registry) and a nikah, or just a civil marriage, or just a nikah.

However, it is clear that many thousands of couples, for one reason or another (and often for all the wrong reasons), are only in what is locally known as a “nikah” – a marriage that is not accompanied by a civil marriage and is therefore not recognised by the law in Britain.

It is equally clear that this lack of proper legal status often results in problems for the couple and suffering, especially for the woman, in the event that there are difficulties in the marriage.

Source

BarryBlue

Gloomendoom wrote: »

You are wrong, whether you like it or not.

How am I wrong? To be legally married you must comply with the law. The religious bit does not make a scrap of difference. People can "believe" that they are married via their superstition system but the simple fact is that they are not. There is nothing new in religious belief being just plain wrong.

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Outside the Christian Church that certainly isn't the case.

Outside the christian church (or parts of it) the civil ceremony is required. The ceremony in a mosque, temple or whatever has no status in law and is done for personal preference. People have all sorts of add-ons, religious or otherwise, at weddings but they are irrelevant to the status of being married.

Mojisola wrote: »

A 'religious wedding' without the legal means the couple aren't married - they might feel it's more important to them but their legal status hasn't changed.

The only way to be legally married in this country is to fulfill the legal requirements.

Absolutely true. Marriage is a legal institution, separate from all religion, and clearly the religious people don't like that. What they believe is of no relevance to the legal situation.


Getting married in a church may be what some people wish to do. Others marry in hotels, stately homes, football grounds or whatever. They are no more or less married for that, as long as it is conducted by an approved registrar under the law. I would like to see all marriages conducted by a registrar in a registry office and then people could add on whatever trappings they liked, religious or otherwise.

Mojisola

BarryBlue wrote: »

I would like to see all marriages conducted by a registrar in a registry office and then people could add on whatever trappings they liked, religious or otherwise.

This is how it's done in some mainland European countries. I would like to see the same system brought in here.

I also think that the legal aspects of the contract should be thoroughly discussed beforehand at the RO as part of the preparation for marriage.

Gloomendoom

BarryBlue wrote: »

Marriage is a legal institution, separate from all religion

Can you then explain why, in some countries, marriages are only recognised by the state after the mandatory religious service has taken place.

Errata

Mojisola wrote: »

This is how it's done in some mainland European countries. I would like to see the same system brought in here.

I also think that the legal aspects of the contract should be thoroughly discussed beforehand at the RO as part of the preparation for marriage.

Why? A registrar isn't a lawyer or a social worker, they conduct and register marriages. When they're not doing that they're registering births and deaths.