feeding my dog.

Babbawah

pawsies wrote: »

No I am not.

In the same way that humans shouldn't fast and we are omnivores dogs shouldn't be forced to fast because someone somewhere said dogs need to be fed like wolves.

There would be outrage if parents fasted their kids for one day a week. Sure, they wouldn't suffer long term from it but psychologically it is not fair to starve someone that is clearly hungry.

To some people their pets are their kids.

I think that you are so horribly wrong that I actually feel that if you do really own a dog, then that dog is being cruelly mistreated.

That last quote of yours sums it up for me "To some people their pets are their kids".

This is where you are failing, this is where you are going horribly wrong.

Dogs are NOT human, they are NOT your children. They are NOT like us.

They have very differant needs, both physically & psychologically.

Please. Try to think outside of the box that your limited mental capacity has placed this pet + owner mentality.

It is a dog. It is not a human.

Johnny_Dangerously

I see Babbawah is being as moderate as always;)

On the view of fasting, it can't be seen as a set rule. Some breeds are prone to 'empty stomach syndrome'. Name sounds dodgy but the condition is real enough. I've owned a few boxers and they are quite prone to it, including my current lad.

If he doesn't eat at regular intervals, it can be quite uncomfortable for him.

Rev

Babbawah wrote: »

I think that you are so horribly wrong that I actually feel that if you do really own a dog, then that dog is being cruelly mistreated.

That last quote of yours sums it up for me "To some people their pets are their kids".

This is where you are failing, this is where you are going horribly wrong.

Dogs are NOT human, they are NOT your children. They are NOT like us.

They have very differant needs, both physically & psychologically.

Please. Try to think outside of the box that your limited mental capacity has placed this pet + owner mentality.

It is a dog. It is not a human.

I can't see where anyone said dogs are human. Just that they shouldn't be fasted. Which I while agree with.


I also find it quite amusing that not starving your dog would make someone think you're dog is being mistreated. That's actually hysterical.


I do however think it's not us suffering from limited mental capacity.


You have opinions. Opinions which you feed your dog according to. That's absolutely fine. But labelling them as fact and accusing anyone who doesn't follow them as mistreating their dog is both rude and ignorant, not to mention plain ridiculous.

Babbawah

Johnny_Dangerously wrote: »

I see Babbawah is being as moderate as always;)

On the view of fasting, it can't be seen as a set rule. Some breeds are prone to 'empty stomach syndrome'. Name sounds dodgy but the condition is real enough. I've owned a few boxers and they are quite prone to it, including my current lad.

If he doesn't eat at regular intervals, it can be quite uncomfortable for him.

Here we go.

In what way do you think that Boxers as a breed are prone to "empty stomach syndrome" ?

Before you embarrass yourself with yet another example of a dog owner thinking that their dog shares their human attributes . . .

YOU have a problem with the empty stomach syndrome, your dog doesn't.

If you skip a meal then your dog will look upon you with those eyes that it knows will see it fed . . . & you will fall for it every time.

Fasting is GOOD for dogs, it is incredibly healthy for them. It is almost as important as a raw food diet.

Johnny_Dangerously

Babbawah wrote: »

Here we go.

In what way do you think that Boxers as a breed are prone to "empty stomach syndrome" ?

Before you embarrass yourself with yet another example of a dog owner thinking that their dog shares their human attributes . . .

well seeing as i've had lots of them, and have known lots of people with them, and lots of people who breed them, rescue them etc, I guess it might just be mine.

And no, I'm not talking about looking at me longingly. I'm talking about him not wanting to eat anything, having physical cramps which are audible for over 12 hours until he clears his stomach usually with a bloody stool.

Or maybe I'm just a big old softie.

If you insist on throwing personal insults at everyone on here who is asking for or offering advice, then I'm just going to start reporting your posts. It's really not helpful or wanted.

MallyGirl

Another raw feeder here. I get frozen blocks from MVM or DAF - our local petshop stocks them so no delivery costs, just my fuel to collect. I wish we had a local butcher and could feed a dog for a fiver a week.
My 2 malamutes are around 35kg each. Lazy 5 year old girl has 600g a day and hyper 21 month boy has 900g. 1500g is approx. 3 packs do that is £2 - £2.50 a day depending on what I give. I also add the occasional egg, coconut oil or salmon oil (especially when they are blowing their coats), sometimes a bit of blitzed veg, garlic capsules, kelp/brewers yeast. Teeth get some exercise with chicken carcasses or wings, meaty bones when Morrisons have them in.
It is not much more than the expensive kibble they used to have and they love it. They also poop a fraction of the amount they used to so I am very aware of the amount of filler there was in the kibble that they just couldn't process.
A couple of good books are - 'give a dog a bone' and 'feed your dog raw meaty bones'

Larac

Must admit I moved to a raw food diet when my Goldie (who is now 5) started deciding at the age of one that he did not like complete food and kept leaving on his plate. I buy blocks of different types frozen dog food from various manufacturer who the local pet shop source and mix it with terrier meal which contains the essential minerals and he seems very happy with it. Works out around £1 a day in total. Would agree that he poops less on the diet and less behavioural problems. If I do feed him one of the main stream dog foods then you can always tell as he seems more hyper. I suspect its the colourant that they put in the dog food which makes it visibly more attractive to dog owners when they get it out of a tin. He also seemed more hyper on the complete food and definately pooped more.

krlyr

Babbawah wrote: »

Here we go.

In what way do you think that Boxers as a breed are prone to "empty stomach syndrome" ?

Before you embarrass yourself with yet another example of a dog owner thinking that their dog shares their human attributes . . .

YOU have a problem with the empty stomach syndrome, your dog doesn't.

If you skip a meal then your dog will look upon you with those eyes that it knows will see it fed . . . & you will fall for it every time.

Fasting is GOOD for dogs, it is incredibly healthy for them. It is almost as important as a raw food diet.

If I skip an evening meal for one of mine, I can almost guarantee I will come down to at least one puddle of bile, she will then race to the garden on first pees to eat grass, normally bringing it up once or twice. Her appetite is then reduced, so I have give her a small meal to tempt her to eat, before she then fancies the rest of her breakfast.

I am not one for giving in to 'puppy dog eyes' at all, perfectly capable of fasting my dogs if needs be (e.g. fasting prior to anaesthetic), and I won't pander to fussiness, but I know that my dog will have physical side effects from not eating an evening meal.

I know that fasting can have some physical benefits - I owed rats, mice and other small furries for years and I know studies were done that mice fed about 80% of their RDA in calories lived longer lives than those fed 100%. However, it's not just about longevity of lifespan, but quality of life too. I'm not extending my dog's life by however many months just for her to be feeling sick on a regular basis!

SammyA

We feed ours raw (all 11 of them )

We have a licence so we are allowed to get the 'waste' from the abattoir. We go about once every 2 or 3 weeks and get a load of raw tripe - chopping it up isn't pleasant but that's the husband's job :rotfl:

They also get a lot of bones, chicken carcasses, offal, anything else we can get, we've had venison, sheep and calf carcasses before from a farmer we know. We have chickens so they get eggs when we have loads and occasionally some veg.

Most people I know buy mince and bones from a supplier though, it's much easier but obviously more expensive, but no more so than decent dry food.

We've seen a huge difference in coat, teeth and energy levels since we started feeding raw (plus the poo is much better to clean up than a kibble fed dog). Dry food is full of cereals, which dogs can't digest, so most of the kibble fed to a dog comes straight out the other end. There are a few grain free dry foods but there is only one that I will feed mine (I compete with them and often camp at shows so they get dry - much as I love my dogs I am not taking a cooler box of tripe for 4 or 5 dogs when I'm camping!) and even then it's only for a few days and then they go straight back on raw.

Paradigm

SammyA wrote: »

Dry food is full of cereals, which dogs can't digest, so most of the kibble fed to a dog comes straight out the other end. There are a few grain free dry foods

Some dry food is full of grains but, as you rightly say, not all.


Dogs can digest properly prepared grains/cereals but they're not ideal & are not a food item that they are well equipped to deal with, they can "manage" though... that's why they are so successful & also why you get big poos