Modern cars - clutches

patman99

I went for an interview a couple of years ago for a role within a small company that made balanced and lightened flywheels for both track and road cars. They also offered a clutch re-lining service in which they would take the old clutch plate and re-build it with a harder-wearing material.

Their price was cheaper than a new clutch.

melbury

cajef wrote: »

Not just the i10 have a read here and see what Hyundai say about clutch warranty:-

.https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3747477

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That is terrible! How can a clutch not be included in the warranty? Just goes to show that these so called "warranties" are not worth the paper they are written on.

Back to the VAG trio for some more research........:)

melbury

force_ten wrote: »

things have changed and we should adjust our driving style to be a bit easier on the clutch

after the dual mass fly wheel failed i was told that it it is good practice to fully depress the clutch before starting the engine, and many cars now will not start unless the clutch is fully depressed before the key is turned

you see a lot of new cars being fitted with auto stop start where the car stops when stationary for more than a few seconds, now this may seem like a good feature to help with pollution and fuel saving but the thing that worries me is the added wear and tear on components that don't seem to be covered by warranty

I was looking at buying a pre reg Ford Ka (I have an old model Ka at the moment), but decided against it because I did not want the stop start thing - I find that a bit scary:eek: I wonder what Ford Ka's are like on clutch wear???

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

However much they try and exclude parts, you should be able to rely on consumer legislation with premature failure of wearing parts.

I'd be pretty certain that a judge would agree that 3500 miles was unacceptable - of someone is designing a car that can't stand a bit of abuse in the consumer market. A record of premature failure. in a particular model should go in your favour with claim.

Mankysteve

melbury wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

That is terrible! How can a clutch not be included in the warranty? Just goes to show that these so called "warranties" are not worth the paper they are written on.

Back to the VAG trio for some more research........:)

It is included just not for as long as the full warranty and also has excursion for fair ware and tear.

AdrianC

It's very easy to kill any clutch in any car within 5,000 miles or so if you try hard enough. No manufacturer will ever cover any wearing component under a warranty unless it's demonstrably a component failure caused by a materials or manufacturing problem. Cars like Hyundai i10s are very likely to suffer much higher rates of driver abuse than most, purely due to the demographic that buys them.

Strider590

Most car these days have hydraulic clutches, which don't give the driver much feedback, it's very easy to ride the clutch without knowing your doing it.

Ok, yes they've been around a long time, but only recently in small cars and we all know the sort of drivers that typically drive small cars.

Mankysteve

Having drove a car with hydraulic and now one with cable I prefer the hydraulic. The hydraulic clutch much better feeling. I think more down to design.

I wonder if modern lighter internal engines have bit less momentum behind then so less likely to stall?

I do actually own an i10 it is very easy to stall, but the clutch is still going strong can't remember the exact millage buts somewhere in the 40ths just over three years in age.

Strider590

Mankysteve wrote: »

Having drove a car with hydraulic and now one with cable I prefer the hydraulic. The hydraulic clutch much better feeling. I think more down to design.

I wonder if modern lighter internal engines have bit less momentum behind then so less likely to stall?

I do actually own an i10 it is very easy to stall, but the clutch is still going strong can't remember the exact millage buts somewhere in the 40ths just over three years in age.

It depends entirely on the level of assist.

In the same way that a lot of small cars are now fitted with harsh, over assisted single pot brake calipers. Instead of 2/4 pots which have a lot more "feel", with proportional braking effort.

On the test drive "wow the brakes a good" and "it's nice to drive, the clutch is so light". Things that will invariably appeal to a certain type of driver. A "light" clutch may feel nice, but it also makes it very easy to ride.

Marktheshark

If you opened the inspection plate and shone a strobe in on modern Diesel DMF you could see which will go first.
Some balance well, others already have vibration from day one.
I would say pot luck plays its part as well as any unbalanced movement on a DMF is bad news on the springs.
They are a good idea, just that no manufacturer can get them right within budget.