Faith in the British electorate - RESTORED

ruggedtoast

9.3 million people voted Labour.
1.5 million people voted SNP.
2.4 million people voted Lib Dem.
1.1 million people voted Green.

A total of over 14 million voters who are all diametrically in opposition to the 11 million people who voted for the Tories. Yet David Cameron today is congratulating himself as leader of the "United" Kingdom.

Well, he doesnt represent me, and the Tories' perpetual 'I'm alright Jack' selfishness doesn't reflect the true political views of the majority of people in this country.

Electoral reform is needed, urgently.

clayton16749

ruggedtoast wrote: »

9.3 million people voted Labour.
1.5 million people voted SNP.
2.4 million people voted Lib Dem.
1.1 million people voted Green.

A total of over 14 million voters who are all diametrically in opposition to the 11 million people who voted for the Tories. Yet David Cameron today is congratulating himself as leader of the "United" Kingdom.

Well, he doesnt represent me, and the Tories' perpetual 'I'm alright Jack' selfishness doesn't reflect the true political views of the majority of people in this country.

Electoral reform is needed, urgently.

Completely agree, there's something very wrong and that is first past the post. We really do need some urgent reforms.


I don't particularly like any of the parties and their leaders (or former leaders) and the choice in this election was poor.


I didn't vote Tory this time because they've destroyed the public sector - that we all need to rely on at some point - during their last 5 years in Govt. It'll only get worse....

wotsthat

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Electoral reform is needed, urgently.

It's not urgent. It's something which needs calm reflection and consideration so any approach is measured and doesn't come burdened with loads of unintended consequences.

It was quite a dramatic night but there's no point assuming the 'tectonic plates' of politics have really shifted based on one vote. It might look as if things have irreversibly changed but a lot can change in a short space of time - ask Nick!

No point rushing to 'fix' something which might just be a reflection of the normal ebb and flow of politics.

antrobus

ruggedtoast wrote: »

9.3 million people voted Labour.
1.5 million people voted SNP.
2.4 million people voted Lib Dem.
1.1 million people voted Green.

A total of over 14 million voters who are all diametrically in opposition to the 11 million people who voted for the Tories. Yet David Cameron today is congratulating himself as leader of the "United" Kingdom.

Well, he doesnt represent me, and the Tories' perpetual 'I'm alright Jack' selfishness doesn't reflect the true political views of the majority of people in this country.

Electoral reform is needed, urgently.

Is there some particular reason why you have omitted the 3.8 million people who voted UKIP from your list? Don't they count as people for some reason?

I would have thought that had today's result been replicated under any kind of PR system, AMS or multi-member STV, we would now be talking about a Conservative-UKIP coalition in government.

P.S. I'm not so sure how you can say that the 2.4 million people who voted Lib Dem are "diametrically in opposition" to those that voted Conservative, given that the two parties where in bed together just 5 minutes ago.

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

9.3 million people voted Labour.
1.5 million people voted SNP.
2.4 million people voted Lib Dem.
1.1 million people voted Green.

A total of over 14 million voters who are all diametrically in opposition to the 11 million people who voted for the Tories. Yet David Cameron today is congratulating himself as leader of the "United" Kingdom.

Well, he doesnt represent me, and the Tories' perpetual 'I'm alright Jack' selfishness doesn't reflect the true political views of the majority of people in this country.

Electoral reform is needed, urgently.

His victory changes nothing for me. It's just the same old carp from the last five years for another five. Cameron has a 12 seat majority and he's going to have a lot of problems over the next few years...not least Europe, with the swivel eyed loons on the backbenches behind him breathing down his neck. Me and many others will be doing whatever we humanly can to disrupt his aims....already succeeded in my constituency in London...we turfed the tory out! So it's bitter sweet and the fight goes on!;)

chris_m

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Electoral reform is needed, urgently.

Depends on whether or not those (and I'm talking generally, not singling out ruggedtoast) who are shouting about reform now are the same 6.1m who voted for it four years ago or whether those shouting now include part of the 13.0m who voted against reform four years ago.

Every election we get this subject raised, however after the last General Election we were actually given the opportunity to get it changed and "we" voted over 2:1 against it.

ruggedtoast

antrobus wrote: »

Is there some particular reason why you have omitted the 3.8 million people who voted UKIP from your list? Don't they count as people for some reason?

I would have thought that had today's result been replicated under any kind of PR system, AMS or multi-member STV, we would now be talking about a Conservative-UKIP coalition in government.

P.S. I'm not so sure how you can say that the 2.4 million people who voted Lib Dem are "diametrically in opposition" to those that voted Conservative, given that the two parties where in bed together just 5 minutes ago.

I couldn't care less about the wishes of UKIP voters. They have ended up with one MP, which is one more than they deserve.

lisyloo

I couldn't care less about the wishes of UKIP voters.

That might be your opinion, but it's not democracy.

N1AK

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I couldn't care less about the wishes of UKIP voters. They have ended up with one MP, which is one more than they deserve.

Grow up. They might have voted for a party I find repulsive, but they got the majority in one constituency and thus one MP is exactly what they 'deserve' and have a right to.

I don't like the election result at all, but let's not pretend that this happened because of anything other than an increase in the vote for right wing politics:
2010: 39.2% Cons + UKIP
2015: 49.5% Cons + UKIP

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I couldn't care less about the wishes of UKIP voters. They have ended up with one MP, which is one more than they deserve.

with an 'urgent ' reform and introduction of PR then your beloved UKIP would have more MPs.