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Has Capitalism Met the Marxist Utopia?

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  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    ukcarper wrote: »
    Does it, it educates people but it doesn't train most people.

    The NHS relies heaverly relies on foreign nurses.

    Aren't nurses educated?

    are we short of nurse or not? yes or no will do
  • ukcarper
    ukcarper Posts: 17,337 Forumite
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    Aren't nurses educated?

    are we short of nurse or not? yes or no will do

    Your post are making less sense than usual.
  • padington
    padington Posts: 3,121 Forumite
    edited 20 April 2015 at 12:01AM
    I would argue that because we tax private property by 39%, we are 39% communist.

    In that sense, here's how 'communist' the rest of the world is ...

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

    Also, It's important to note that some Middle East governments are actually much more 'communist' than they appear because they 'tax' the resources from source heavily instead.
    Proudly voted remain. A global union of countries is the only way to commit global capital to the rule of law.
  • Cornucopia
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    edited 20 April 2015 at 12:00AM
    The OP's original proposition is logically flawed. The Welfare State has been adopted as a necessity of an orderly Capitalist society.

    It's existence and our motivation for having it are not related in any way to Communism, nor is it a driver towards Communism or Communist principles.

    At the same time, the political motivation for the instigation of the Welfare State was undoubtedly Socialist in nature. It's arguable that its defining principles still are.

    There is nothing intrinsically weak or wrong about having such a mixed approach to the Governance of our country - indeed it is typical of Western Europe in the present era.
    padington wrote: »
    I would argue that because we tax private property by 39%, we are 39% communist.

    Here's the how 'communist' the rest of the world is ...

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

    We don't tax "private property" at 39%. And even if we did, it wouldn't make us 39% Communist.
  • padington
    padington Posts: 3,121 Forumite
    Your income or profits being your private property.
    Proudly voted remain. A global union of countries is the only way to commit global capital to the rule of law.
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    padington wrote: »
    I would argue that because we tax private property by 39%, we are 39% communist. ....

    Then you neither understand communism nor taxation.

    Under communism, there will be no taxation at all. After all, it is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
  • padington
    padington Posts: 3,121 Forumite
    antrobus wrote: »
    Then you neither understand communism nor taxation.

    Under communism, there will be no taxation at all. After all, it is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

    So you contribute what you can afford and take what you require ... A bit like
    the NHS then ?
    Proudly voted remain. A global union of countries is the only way to commit global capital to the rule of law.
  • CLAPTON
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    padington wrote: »
    So you contribute what you can afford and take what you require ... A bit like
    the NHS then ?

    nothing at all like the NHS
    there you contribute what the state decides
    and you 'take' only what the local hospital trust, your doctor, NICE etc decide to give.
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    padington wrote: »
    So you contribute what you can afford and take what you require ... A bit like
    the NHS then ?

    Nothing at all like the NHS.

    Your 'contribution' consists of your labour which "has become not only a means of life but life's prime want". It's not a question of 'affording' anything; you work for nothing, everything is free, and money has ceased to exist.
  • Cornucopia
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    padington wrote: »
    Your income or profits being your private property.

    So not private property i.e. wealth, at all?
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