Every Laugh Is The Energy

rockyrose

If only...you do have to laugh, go on you know you do
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Savvybuyer

savvy_sal wrote: »

I have my own opinion. Many people change their opinion according to their own circumstances and nothing to do with the good of the country as a whole.My Dad was a staunch labourite untill Maggi gave him the right to buy the council house that he had rented for38 years and then she was the best thing since sliced bread.

Please can we forget the politics. It is not appropriate to discuss this. This is a money-saving site.

Thanks.

Anon

1. We have a first past the post voting system - everyone standing for election stood on this basis. Everyone voting voted on this basis. They are the rules, the result is the result whether you agree with it or it went your way, or not.
2. If people are not happy with the results, get more people to support and vote for the manifestos for the other parties and they will then be more likely to be voted in.
3. Given the opportunity, the British electorate voted to keep the existing voting system and rejected the proposed alternative. If you didn't vote to keep the current system, the majority did as they were not convinced by the alternative.
4. I thought we were moving on!

Anon

Savvybuyer

rockyrose wrote: »

Savvy...have sada nicked your M lists so that the new apg site is xxxxxx up ????????????????????

Unfortunately, I doubt that they're using the information on there.

savvy_sal

Savvybuyer wrote: »

Because we don't have freedom of expression and this is not a free speech site. Anyway, we won't have the Human Rights Act.

I think that you don't like my opinions or don't agree with them/don't want to see them expressed. Have you responded in a similar way though to every post on every day though? I do not think so - you have singled me out and discriminated against me.

I do not think we can merely "forget" the politics, when it is asking us to somehow "forget" what will rule over our lives for the next five years - and that it is inappropriate to ask us to do so.

Moving on.

I have a lot of respect for you.All I am saying is there must be a better place to express your opinion than here.:D

Behind_The_Sofa_2

Savvybuyer wrote: »

[1] No, I don't think we can:rotfl:. We live in a democracy and opinions should be expressed and heard...

[2] The whole point is that we are *not* able to give our opinion and vote in who we want as, under the first-past-the-post system, more voters than not vote for parties that do not form the winning government.

The electorate have not spoken, because a government other than what most voters (leave alone most people) wanted has, again, been elected. The few people in marginal constituencies in southern England have been allowed their say (and therefore only these people allowed to speak) as some votes are worth more than others and most votes are wasted votes. Over four million people voted for UKIP, yet they have even fewer seats than the Liberal Democrats. In contrast, only about three million people voted for the SNP but, because the SNP consolidated all their votes in one region/nation of the UK, they therefore, in that area, achieved a landslide (but do not form the government of the UK because Scotland 'only' comprises about 10% of the population). (Although, if UKIP support is representative of what they might have got in Scotland etc., and vice versa, then adjusting by population 4 million in an area of 80% of the population (England) would go somewhat down compared to achieving 3 million in a proportion of 10%.)

If there were a proportional system, I think the outcome of this election would have been a Conservative and UKIP government just reaching the winning point. But then Scotland will always be underrepresented as Scotland forms a minority of the population of the UK. (Though then there's the Scottish Parliament and the West Lothian question arises again - and Scottish MPs over English laws etc.) I'm not sure whether Conservative and UKIP would have been better or worse than what we now have. In a way there is a lot for saying that the full harshness of some policies ought not to be mitigated. Perhaps we should feel the full - in my view adverse - effects. (Although I've also said that policies wouldn't get implemented fully, and others will be over- and under-implemented anyway.)

In Scotland, people have not voted as overwhelmingly for the SNP as the translation into seats under the electoral system suggests. Under a proportional system, the SNP would have ended with about 32 seats. (In that area, suiting my own needs, I would *not* want a proportional system. I'm glad they have 56. Fwiw, and controversially, I wished the Liberal Democrats would have had even fewer. Perhaps give them a single seat - and, whilst I was wanting Nick Clegg to lose his seat, I'm glad he's now been voted into a rather useless position and moreover can't resign, as a MP, or therefore take another job as it would give a by-election and could leave them with even fewer seats - I now think, in the situation of Nick Clegg being elected and seven others, I'd rather they had just ended up with a single MP - and that being Nick Clegg - so that he would be forced to remain the leader and no-one else could possibly have been chosen without a change to the party's own rules. I like it when politicians are put in 'difficult positions':rotfl: - maybe that's what makes life interesting!:D)

As for the SNP, I agree with what Nicola Sturgeon says - she's probably slightly wrong to say that "half the population" of Scotland voted for SNP, it's probably just half of voters not the population but, for my own purposes, I'm very forgiving of that if it's a little slip - at least it's not an outright lie like some other party politicians might tell in elections - she said, today, something that I'd thought yesterday - namely that the SNP was now the effective opposition. With Labour in disarray having to go through a leadership process again, I think that's true. The representation of the views of many people in England is now best represented by the SNP. There's also the complete different directions that the nations have moved in post devolution/assembly etc. Free prescriptions Scotland/Wales. No tuition fees Scotland. Some in England may start to feel this is unfair to them. It creates divisions and chasms rather than creating a United kingdom. I think if things continue I'll move to Scotland. Now that Cameron has been elected, will the last person in England...:)

I thought Clegg did resign?

Savvybuyer

Anon wrote: »

1. We have a first past the post voting system - everyone standing for election stood on this basis. Everyone voting voted on this basis. They are the rules, the result is the result whether you agree with it or it went your way, or not.
2. If people are not happy with the results, get more people to support and vote for the manifestos for the other parties and they will then be be more likely to be voted in.
3. Given the opportunity, the British electorate voted to keep the existing system and rejected the proposed alternative. If you didn't vote to keep the current system, the majority did as they were not convinced by the alternative.
4. I thought we were moving on!

Anon

Yes, again, I was going to say not appropriate to post.

I will have last word (or try to) - the AV system proposed was so complex that the public therefore largely didn't know what it was and for that reason didn't vote for it. It's another failure of Nick Clegg some would argue - failed to deliver a reform to the voting system and left us with a fixed term parliament that now means government of five years rather than the usual four previously.

The issue of the voting system has been raised as a 'live issue' in the past few days. Obviously by some of the losing parties. However, the issue is now dead as it makes no influence at all on the government as now elected. So, it's not for discussion anymore:silenced:.

Mumto2monkeys

We've had a productive day too:)
I've now got my border stones put in place around 1/2 of my garden:j
It looks so much neater.
Even managed to cook a Sunday lunch with the offer pork loin from @
Full works, roasties, Yorkshire puds mmmm yummy.
Took ages to clean up the devastation it caused:D

Now resting on the sofa whilst watching planes

rhyl_2

Independence for Wales - yeah!

rockyrose

For anyone wondering...the new apg is still only comp to M......just in case anyone was wondering..