65 years old

benniebert

rogerblack wrote: »

This is an _extreme_ overgeneralisation.

Different people have different care needs, and this will map onto the different benefits - some may be entitled for one, not the other.
There is no clear picture, it's individual.

As one example, someone that requires help throughout the day with - say - communicating with others - may be entitled to AA, but may miss out on PIP as that engagement does not meet the bar of causing overwhelming distress, or causing a substantial risk to the person.

I agree with you that there are major differences. But what I would say that with PIP you know where you are as you have various descriptors to meet to gain points with.


With Attendance Allowance it is so 'woolly' that there are no descriptors just open ended definitions of the words used in the regulations. This can and does lead to people reading it in different ways including the DWP.
You make a statement: As one example, someone that requires help throughout the day. As most people making these claims don't have a clue about how AA works - what does requiring help THROUGHOUT the day actually mean? I have my own definition, but when I read up on it there were more different definitions. Does it mean CONTINUOUS or CONTINUING or even REGULAR?
With AA there is no 'I've got 8 points' it is entirely down to how you write your submission, the evidence you send in and how all of that is interpreted by a Decision Maker who may or may not be having a bad day.

rogerblack

Throughout the day for the purposes of DLA/AA does not mean continuously. It means several-many times.

benniebert

rogerblack wrote: »

Throughout the day for the purposes of DLA/AA does not mean continuously. It means several-many times.

Several means twice
Many means numerous.

Even that confuses me!


As I have said the definitions are so 'woolly' I doubt very many can actually complete the form in a format that meets what those definitions mean.

nannytone_2

several doesn't mean twice!
twice means twice!

if you went to buy 2 cups of tea, but asked for 'several' cups of tea...
you honestly think the person serving you would think you wanted 2?

Indie_Kid

I was always taught that several = 7 or 8?

benniebert

nannytone wrote: »

several doesn't mean twice!
twice means twice!

if you went to buy 2 cups of tea, but asked for 'several' cups of tea...
you honestly think the person serving you would think you wanted 2?

As per the Oxford dictionary:
SEVERAL
More than two but not many

A couple of times is normally twice; several times would be more than twice but not many


I'm getting confused now.


So what (in ordinary English please) does throughout mean?


Rogerblack says that it means: several-many times


I'm giving up on this as I don't think that there is any definition that means what it says - hence why rules relating to Attendance Allowance are so woolly.


I have to be honest my definition of throughout means all the way through the day or night - consistently.


But no doubt I'm wrong. Given that, how can anybody show that they should qualify for Attendance Allowance if they haven't got a clue what the defining rules are.
It's like playing football or cricket and not knowing what the rules of play are.

benniebert

Indie_Kid wrote: »

I was always taught that several = 7 or 8?

Not according to the Oxford dictionary it is.


7 or 8 would be said to be many.


several is more than 2 but NOT many.

missbiggles1

jen0dorf wrote: »

Hi
I hope I'm getting my head around this

My official letter says

you are entitled to ...... to 17 Dec 2016 ( which is one month after I turn 60.

Do I assume then that at that point or prior I will be called in for a reassesment ?

Many thanks for all thegood advice

Ian

But you said earlier

"In 18 months time I reach the age of 65 " so could you clarify?

nannytone_2

benniebert wrote: »

Not according to the Oxford dictionary it is.


7 or 8 would be said to be many.


several is more than 2 but NOT many.

in my opinion ...
a couple = 2
a few = 3 or 4
several = more than 4 but less than 10
many = over 10.

needing help 'several' times throughout the day means you need a substantial amount of help, but not constantly.
ie: needing help for short periods on multiple occasions

jen0dorf

missbiggles1 wrote: »

But you said earlier

"In 18 months time I reach the age of 65 " so could you clarify?

Sorry was a typo was born 10/11/51

Ian