Hard working people on welfare

fordcapri2000

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32272817

Supermarket workers have to claim £11bn benefits, charity says


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This is why the UK is broken.

Any man or woman that is willing to get up at 7am every morning, do a 40 hour plus week deserves to be earning a wage that pays for their housing, food, fuel with a little left over for some small comforts God willing and with a little luck.

They should not be in a position where they need to be claiming charity

purch

I would doubt that any of those Supermarket workers do 40 hours a week.

Supermarkets and the like, tend to employ workers on 16 hours a week or less contracts.

If the employer actually gave them 40 hours work a week, they wouldn't need benefits.

fordcapri2000

purch wrote: »

I would doubt that any of those Supermarket workers do 40 hours a week.

Supermarkets and the like, tend to employ workers on 16 hours a week or less contracts.

If the employer actually gave them 40 hours work a week, they wouldn't need benefits.

Seriously, before you posted that did you even bother to most basis research?

The UK is littered with full time workers on benefits, family credit and Housing benefit being two I know of personally.

purch

Yes

http://www.tesco-careers.com/Apply.aspx

You referrred to supermarket workers.

Tesco is the biggest supermarket.

Good luck finding a job on there which isn't part time.

There should be rule requiring a minimum IQ before posting

MS1950

fordcapri2000 wrote: »

Seriously, before you posted that did you even bother to most basis research?

The UK is littered with full time workers on benefits, family credit and Housing benefit being two I know of personally.

While it is true that much of the UK's recent 'employment miracle' includes full time workers on low pay forced to rely on tax credits and housing benefit it is also true that many large retailers - Tesco in particular who are apparently "the biggest private sector employer in Britain" - have been deliberately restructuring their labour force to take advantage of the fact that they can avoid paying Employers NI contributions on part time staff - as revealed by Channel 4 Dispatches in 'Low Pay Britain' on 18 Jan 2015:

"A snapshot of all customer assistant jobs being advertised on the Tesco website on one day showed 96% of the 785 posts were part time, sometimes just a few hours a week and earning contracted hours amounting to as little as £200 a month, Channel 4 Dispatches estimates that Tesco could save up to £100m a year in National Insurance contributions if staff worked their contracted hours only.

"The former HR director of Morrisons, Norman Pickavance says, “It’s a huge amount of money for every person that they have on this kind of contract – you are talking about a reduction in the order of 14% per worker so it is a huge benefit.”

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/low-pay-britain-channel-4-dispatches

michaels

Of course the other reason why wages need topping up is because house prices are so far above build costs due to restrictions in supply (planning) and increases in demand from population growth and demographics.

I read this piece with amusement as of course if supermarkets all paid their workers the 'living wage' then they would have to increase prices as no doubt staff costs are a big part of their overhead and so everyone, including the more highly paid supermarket workers, would be complaining about how high prices had suddenly become.

CLAPTON

sadly another example of well intentioned but stupid legislation

WTC has been an absolute disaster for the ordinary working person but now very difficult to unwind as the rest of employment has adjusted around it.

PasturesNew

Slackers. I knew a couple, they worked out the minimum hours they'd have to work to get WTC/CTC then simply found a job (for him) that met that low bar.... they then just topped it all up on benefits.

Originally the benefit was intended to help people out who were trying. It rapidly became the way the world was bent to match. Jobs for 16 hours, rake it in.

Same with minimum wage - brought in as a minimum, it's now "the norm" as employers hire people that can afford to work for the lower rates and claim the top ups.

It shafts those people who are single and need to work full-time and can't get top ups so easily/readily/generously.

Where's the queue for the revolution?

Loughton_Monkey

fordcapri2000 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32272817

Supermarket workers have to claim £11bn benefits, charity says

This is why the UK is broken.

Presumably this figure includes ordinary child allowance. But we should look for the correct culprits. i.e. Blair/Brown who avidly created these 'benefits', creating a sub culture of people wanting part time work because it brings in almost as much as full time, and they can skive (or work on the black market) for the rest of the week.

fordcapri2000 wrote: »

Any man or woman that is willing to get up at 7am every morning, do a 40 hour plus week deserves to be earning a wage that pays for their housing, food, fuel with a little left over for some small comforts God willing and with a little luck.

They should not be in a position where they need to be claiming charity

Completely disagree. Anyone working those 40 hours 'deserves' only one thing. That's the market rate for the job. Expenditure on housing, food, fuel, and luxuries is largely down to personal choice. I live in a 1 room bedsit, eat baked beans, walk to work, and use a 20 year old moped to visit friends. You live in a 3 bed house, eat high quality ready-meals, drive a 2 year old Merc. So your costs are 5 times mine. Give me three reasons why your salary should be 5 times my salary, for the same job?

The next government should not freeze such benefits, but stop them completely.

Obviously this would ultimately serve to increase market wages, but with far less tax, most people could afford it.

For those people who passionately believe that people who wasted their education, made choices about having children and living in their own house should be heavily subsidised, then they should give generously to a charity of their choice. A charity that will pay such people extra money.

I 'sponsor' a donkey at a local animal rescue shelter. The plight of that poor donkey was not his fault. I am happy to subsidise a basic comfortable standard of living. Others, if they choose, can subsidise a poor family.

purch

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

I 'sponsor' a donkey at a local animal rescue shelter.

Per Mertesacker ?


I didn't know you were a season ticket holder at the Emirates :eek:

wotsthat

PasturesNew wrote: »

Slackers. I knew a couple, they worked out the minimum hours they'd have to work to get WTC/CTC then simply found a job (for him) that met that low bar.... they then just topped it all up on benefits.

I've worked with various different packing crews in the past and seen people consult spreadsheets when offered extra hours to calculate the effect on benefits and therefore their effective tax rate.

PasturesNew wrote: »

It shafts those people who are single and need to work full-time and can't get top ups so easily/readily/generously.

I've never heard a politician mention anything about hard working single people - surely they can't exist.