16 yr old and first bike

iainscomputer

footyguy wrote: »

You sure?

Moped yes, but no gears?

A moped is, or was, by definition a motorised (or motor assisted) pedal cycle. i.e. a cycle that could be propelled by use of it's own pedals.

In law, it has always referred to such a vehicle of less than 50cc.

About 35 years ago, as such vehicles were becoming ever more powerful, and hence faster, a new legal definition came about.

Essentially a motorcycle of less than 50cc capacity with a top speed not exceeding 30mph (50km/h).
Note: pedals are no longer required.

I believe latest regulations also include a tricycle of similar specification. (and also possibly some small quad bikes)

As far as I know, there is no restriction as to how many gears such a vehicle may have. (at least there never used to be)



To clarify, a moped is a moped as defined by the law when the vehicle was first registered.
So, for example, a 1970's moped still must be capable of being propelled by it's own pedals, but it's likely to have 3, 4 or 5 gears and will probably go a lot faster than 30mph.
Perfectly legal for 16 year old to ride with a provisional licence (and CBT)

Edit: It appears top speed of newly registered mopeds (w.e.f. 19 January 2013) has now been reduced further to just 28mph (45km/h) in line with EU regulations ... and must be capable of at least 25km/h

Edit 2: Here are the details of of various bike categories. No mention of type of gearbox, or whether or not fitted with a manual clutch.
(Honda used to make a moped with a manual gearbox and an automatic clutch)
https://www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirements

A moped can still have gears, there are Derbi 50cc bikes about, they are still legally a moped, due to the vehicle weight, maximum design speed & the fact they have 3 wheels or less.
The manual gearbox is not a issue.

enfield_freddy

I wish they would make an automatic ts185 trials bike , I feel that riding the little girl without the clutch is hurting her

enfield_freddy

http://i61.tinypic.com/2820wzl.jpg


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that was a trials bike v a tree!

Norman_Castle

enfield_freddy wrote: »

please find me a 50cc trials bike , apart from the classic ts50?

Yamaha TY50. The TS50 and TS185 are trail bikes.

enfield_freddy

yes , indeed a trAILS bike ,


one of the slowest 185cc type off road bikes , until you remember "trail" , not "trials"


the ts185 only does about 55 mph , whereas other TRIALS bikes (yan dt etc) often get to the 70s.


the TS was much loved in the USA and Australia , I got a new old stock petrol tank for mine from Australia


the TS is still in production , a friend in queensland bought a new one last year




http://www.globalsuzuki.com/motorcycle/moto/dual_purpose/ts185er/99999-A1306-151.pdf


the only differences between the 81 ER and the new one is 12v electrics

Norman_Castle

whereas other TRIALS bikes (yan dt etc) often get to the 70s.

Yamaha DTs are trail bikes. Yamaha TYs are trial bikes.

If your TS185 only does 55mph its either undergeared or down on power (or you're not trying hard enough:D).

enfield_freddy

gosh I stand corrected , NO the gearing is correct , its as underpowered as any 30yr old 2t


but it was not built for fast road speed


I actually told a lie , its 62mph ON STANDARD GEARING (on a good day with a following wind)


http://www.theterminalhut.com/public/cal.jpg

Norman_Castle

enfield_freddy wrote: »

I actually told a lie , its 62mph ON STANDARD GEARING (on a good day with a following wind)

Ignore the facts. Its the actual speed your mates believe it goes that matters:D

I like old Japanese trail bikes. I'm depressedly watching the price of XT250s go up.

Happychappy

Car_54 wrote: »

Never mind the legal technicalities. Don't let your grandson have a motorbike until he's mature enough to understand the risks.

Possibly 21, possibly never.

The NHS relies upon organ donors, many come from the motor cycling community, right or wrong, who's at fault and who isn't, really doesn't come into play with two wheels, you always lose, I would think again !

enfield_freddy

yup they are nice , this is mine (last year) I have got a lot of new bits since this picture


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edit , photo taken yesterday


note proper light back on ft , new tyres and new shocks etc.


we made some 125 logo,s up , coz kids with L plates kept overtaking me


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