Where can you go to discuss UK property.. nowhere

fordcapri2000

Now this is interesting and laughable, I have now been banned from HPC:rotfl::rotfl:

Now that has raised some interesting questions for me, is there really a non biased non aggressive property forum out there that can control the all or nothing conviction of the handful of nutters who to their dying breath will support their team/tribe, even if deep down they are wobbling.

We/you all know the obsessive nutters on MSE property debate where the majority are aggressive property rampers, and the HPC site where they are ... well that's obvious , and there are a few more forums out there that basically have the same venom, Motley Fool sadly is more of a Channel 4 Location Location Location dross but on the internet and where the posters are Fool employed.

My opinion of the probability of a house price crash in the future is one bordering on near certainty, now I do not try to hide that or hide behind a false cloak of being the devils advocate, it is so clear where most really stand and then try and pretend they are not. Poster on here will pretend to be unbiased on a daily basis, yet 100% of the time they only get nasty at one type of poster and message.

The best way I can describe my stance is say wotsthat standing with a 100 ton rock above his head which is prevented from falling on him by twine that has 100 ton and one ounce breaking strain. You know it is going to go, but when?

About 30/40% of my messages on HPC have basically been about what could keep the plates spinning, what could hold up the inevitability of a property crash, and with the right incentive and if someone was determined enough it could be a while, a long while.

My latest contribution was on the coming pension changes and before that I was saying that in all probability immigration will climb a lot higher than it is now. Till now HPC allowed some of my negative feed back to stand, most was removed, and today I am banned:) .. Which is really ok with me. I am no fan of this board for it's style of discussion, and equally I was becoming disillusioned with HPC, though some on there make some amazing contributions which are usually drowned out by the shouters, you on here know who they are.

Sadly there is nowhere to go(violins out), I post a lot on social issues, History(very passionate) and the general economy, there are great places to discuss that, property is the one area where people just will not act in a civil manner.. BUT HEY!!, maybe that is a message in itself.

Blacklight

100 ton and one ounce twine probably has a factor of safety of 3. Not that they'd tell anyone.

TheBlueHorse

I think anyone who is 100% certain of anything is a fool. At some future point, there might be a crash, if say, war breaks out, or some disease wipes out 50% of the population etc etc or we have another great depression. However, the reality is, prices will probably just trundle along on an upwards trajectory forever, with the odd wobble along the way.

The main reason for this is supply and demand. If you have a table selling 4 apples and there is 100 customers, the price of apples won't fall, they will go up - or stay the same once they reach peak (ie if all 100 customers have a max of £20 on them, then the apples won't go up past £20 but they will stay at that level until the customers get more money for apples). If on the other hand there are 100 apples and 4 customers, prices will plummet.

The property market in the UK and London (and surrounding areas) inparticular are like the table with 4 apples and 100 customers. Prices won't fall unless something majorly drastic happens.

chucknorris

TheBlueHorse wrote: »

I think anyone who is 100% certain of anything is a fool. At some future point, there might be a crash, if say, war breaks out, or some disease wipes out 50% of the population etc etc or we have another great depression. However, the reality is, prices will probably just trundle along on an upwards trajectory forever, with the odd wobble along the way.

The main reason for this is supply and demand. If you have a table selling 4 apples and there is 100 customers, the price of apples won't fall, they will go up - or stay the same once they reach peak (ie if all 100 customers have a max of £20 on them, then the apples won't go up past £20 but they will stay at that level until the customers get more money for apples). If on the other hand there are 100 apples and 4 customers, prices will plummet.

The property market in the UK and London (and surrounding areas) inparticular are like the table with 4 apples and 100 customers. Prices won't fall unless something majorly drastic happens.

The housing market is cyclical, so yes it will falter occasionally, then recover. But as you say the trend (nominally) will be upwards, personally I think that in real terms we might be at a peak (in London). Because my portfolio is atm heavily weighted (almost 70% if you include my home) with property, obviously I hope that I am wrong, but right or wrong, what will happen will happen, so I'm not going to get over anxious or excited about whether I am right or not. As for ramping, well anyone that thinks that ramping property on here is going to make any difference to the market, is a nutter.

fordcapri2000

TheBlueHorse wrote: »

I think anyone who is 100% certain of anything is a fool. At some future point, there might be a crash, if say, war breaks out, or some disease wipes out 50% of the population etc etc or we have another great depression. However, the reality is, prices will probably just trundle along on an upwards trajectory forever, with the odd wobble along the way.

The main reason for this is supply and demand. If you have a table selling 4 apples and there is 100 customers, the price of apples won't fall, they will go up - or stay the same once they reach peak (ie if all 100 customers have a max of £20 on them, then the apples won't go up past £20 but they will stay at that level until the customers get more money for apples). If on the other hand there are 100 apples and 4 customers, prices will plummet.

The property market in the UK and London (and surrounding areas) inparticular are like the table with 4 apples and 100 customers. Prices won't fall unless something majorly drastic happens.

See, you don't have to wait long

Firstly the main point of my post is "where is a good unbiased place to discuss property trends", but of course you saw what my opinion and BANG!!, away we go into the stuff you read on here on a daily basis by the same people on a daily basis.

So how do you start your reply, well you start it off by doing just what I said you would do:rotfl: I nice little insult "I am a fool". Well lets just drop that one, you said it so it must be true.

And then the most laughable thing, you then go into a detailed futuristic account of WHAT WILL HAPPEN, where I have NO IDEA how this will play out.

What percentage by the way do you give to your prediction?

p.s Forgot the best bit, you then get thanked by the same posters you would expect that thank every poster like this everyday day of the year without fail, just brilliant.

fordcapri2000

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Maybe you should look at the common denominator in situations where you've been banned from housing discussions. You've been banned from here 5+ times as well.

Maybe you just behave like such a bell end when it comes to property that no one wants you around? I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

And away goes the armchair internet hardman, just tragic and sad.. the sooner the internet is regulated for with signatures on what is written the sooner runts like you will climb back under their little frightened rocks

ukcarper

fordcapri2000 wrote: »

See, you don't have to wait long

Firstly the main point of my post is "where is a good unbiased place to discuss property trends", but of course you saw what my opinion and BANG!!, away we go into the stuff you read on here on a daily basis by the same people on a daily basis.

So how do you start your reply, well you start it off by doing just what I said you would do:rotfl: I nice little insult "I am a fool". Well lets just drop that one, you said it so it must be true.

And then the most laughable thing, you then go into a detailed futuristic account of WHAT WILL HAPPEN, where I have NO IDEA how this will play out.

What percentage by the way do you give to your prediction?

p.s Forgot the best bit, you then get thanked by the same posters you would expect that thank every poster like this everyday day of the year without fail, just brilliant.

You seem very touchy I'm not sure that the poster was saying you are a fool just people who are a 100% certain of anything.

chucknorris

fordcapri2000 wrote: »

is there really a non biased non aggressive property forum out there

Yet just a few days ago you posted a thread having a go at me without any provocation whatsoever, I don't think that we had actually exchanged words on here, since your last thread apologised to me, when you realised I was in fact quite bearish about property. Here are the links to those posts by you:

fordcapri2000 wrote: »

I just had to take a look at this thread, it is the sort of c**p I was certain 24hr c**p dispenser wotsthat or chucknorris would come out with.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...s#post49043229 where you said: Well Chuck, I can only apologize again and hold my head in shame:embarasse, from now on I will have to take your posts a little more seriously.
Sadly I put you in the same basket as some of the other nutters on here, and I was wrong.


You don't have to look any further than this thread, to find me saying that I think property prices have peaked (in real terms) in London.

chucknorris

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Maybe you should look at the common denominator in situations where you've been banned from housing discussions. You've been banned from here 5+ times as well.

Maybe you just behave like such a bell end when it comes to property that no one wants you around? I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

Right on the mark, he comes on here saying that he is looking for a non aggressive forum, then in his very next post, he launches aggressively into TheBlueHorse.

fordcapri2000

chucknorris wrote: »

Right on the mark, he comes on here saying that he is looking for a non aggressive forum, then in his very next post, he launches aggressively into TheBlueHorse.

Ohhhhhhh, the sincerity and passion on your indignant reply day after day after day after day after week after week after week after week, after month after month after month after month after year after year after year................


Is the easiest thing in the world to set you same guys off into a rant, will let you get on with again ALL DAY:rotfl: Try and get off your high horses once in a while.

Aberdeenangarse

fordcapri2000 wrote: »

Try and get off your high horses once in a while.

At least we have high horses, all you've got is a donkey :rotfl: