Humberside airport VCS PCN overturned on IAS appeal

zoonyx

Redx wrote: »

he should already know this as he has one long thread about it (merged from several threads)

you would have thought people would realise its all down to civil court to sort these matters out, 6 years to bring about a court case and argue the matter in court, that is the ultimate outcome of any dispute over invoices in civil matters

why does he think Barry Beavis has been to court in front of 11 judges in the last couple of years ?

Bit harsh but OK...

Early on I was told about VCS not bothering with POFA. I guess the question was more specifically - can they pick and choose, and if for example an appeal clearly prevented an 'assumption of driver' could they retrospecively claim POFA compliance.

As this thread was completed a while ago, and bumped, I was simply having a discussion rather than asking for ticket-specific advice. This is a discussion forum after all, and I don't see it as a thread-hijack mainly because I'm not asking for specific advice.

I respect you Redx (And the rest) for basically teaching me all I know about this, and getting 3 previous tickets ripped up, but I don't need patronising.

(That said the OP's appeal was awesome and I wish I had seen some of it before I put my own appeal in!)

Redx

not harsh at all as umkomaas has replied as if this needed an answer whereas your own thread has the replies and answers and has been merged from several on this subject

its for a court to decide, if it ever gets that far, up to now they have not gone as far as actually getting into court on any airport parking invoices, so the law has not been tested , they cancelled one not long ago about a week before the actual court date (probably JLA but the location is irrelevant)

maybe yours will be the pioneer case , like Barry Beavis on his case

until then , typing these posts isnt helping apart from venting your spleen

you are preaching to the converted on here , its not us you have to convince, its a judge

we are all here helping due to various injustices to ourselves , family and friends, there is no other reason the regulars are here , I would hope you stick around and do the same and not just about your own case

but unless a court case happens you wont get any answers, plus a county court judgment would not be binding, although it could set a precedent

I have been coming here for 2 years and seen dozens of threads on the subject, prankster has blogged about it, yet you seem suddenly excited about it like a dog with a bone

to the regulars here its "yawn time" again until a court case happens (a bit like debt collector letters) , due to the fact that I suspect over a hundred thousand words have been spoken about them, with no valid outcome

one of the reasons I didnt participate in your own thread was the fact its been done to death

let them take you to court, fight it , win , even try to get it to the supreme court so its binding on lower courts, then you may spark my interest, but until then its a boring topic as there are never any answers, never moves forward, its stuck like an old record, sorry to say

thats my take on the issue , I always hope people will just let it drop until something interesting happens (which hasnt happened yet)

had you known it was something only a court can decide, you would not have asked the question, but its been that way for decades and POFA 2012 is only a part of it, especially as its not relevant on airport land, so is a moot point anyway and I fail to see why you brought it up

zoonyx

In that case, I see your point. Oh, and I will try and stick around :P

Vicki73

No Doncaster.....

Redx

Vicki73 wrote: »

No Doncaster.....

as its england, you would have to name the driver (dob them in) , until then proving you are not the driver means nothing as POFA 2012 could be used against you, except it doesnt apply to airport land anyway

this is the dilemma facing people, but naming the actual driver with name and address means the driver is then liable for their own actions , the keeper isnt, and POFA 2012 becomes irrelevant

saying you were not the driver wont stop the harassment

Vicki73

Thanks, i've started a new post as I don't want to hijack this one and get into trouble!

I can't "dob" the driver in as it does me no good. (see my new post)

Redx

Vicki73 wrote: »

Thanks, i've started a new post as I don't want to hijack this one and get into trouble!

I can't "dob" the driver in as it does me no good. (see my new post)

glad you clarified that as I could not telll if that was your intention or not

ie:- I could not tell if you had a beef with the driver and just wanted to name the driver and be done with it ?

or if you were thinking of using it as some form of defence , thinking you had a loophole to squirm out of this invoice

VCS dont follow pofa as detailed in one of pranksters recent blogs , but they do presume that the keeper and driver are one and the same

anyway, seeing as you started a new thread then I will leave you to get on with it until your intentions on this matter become clear

if you think that VCS and the IAS will uphold your appeal based on "I was not the driver and I can prove it" then you are sadly mistaken

but it would be interesting if the IAS upheld the appeal on that point, seeing as the photo shows you as stood near the car, not driving it , lol

normally, we tell people not to name the driver unless there is a very , very , good reason to

Vicki73

Redx wrote: »

glad you clarified that as I could not telll if that was your intention or not

ie:- I could not tell if you had a beef with the driver and just wanted to name the driver and be done with it ?

or if you were thinking of using it as some form of defence , thinking you had a loophole to squirm out of this invoice

VCS dont follow pofa as detailed in one of pranksters recent blogs , but they do presume that the keeper and driver are one and the same

anyway, seeing as you started a new thread then I will leave you to get on with it until your intentions on this matter become clear

if you think that VCS and the IAS will uphold your appeal based on "I was not the driver and I can prove it" then you are sadly mistaken

but it would be interesting if the IAS upheld the appeal on that point, seeing as the photo shows you as stood near the car, not driving it , lol

normally, we tell people not to name the driver unless there is a very , very , good reason to

Thanks for that. I have started a new post
Parking Charge Notice - Doncaster Airport
(MSE won't allow me to post links )
And would really appreciate any further advice/constructive criticism that you can give

Victoria