Car Tax rant

marlot

loskie wrote: »

Should have just done away with RFL/VED/Tax all together and added a required amount to the cost of fuel...

I agree.

They may have had to do something different for lorries. (Some come over from the continent with enough fuel for their entire trip, so don't fill up in this country). But a vignette system could have covered that.

JP08

There is no technical reason for car tax to be monthly based at all any more. Yes, when you had a disc, printing only 12 versions en masse made sense, but the whole thing is computerised now - why not to the day like the MoT - which the date is tracked on now anyhow.

My train season ticket can manage it, the station car park guys even manage it (and even manage send out a reminder ... and that's the shower that are APCOA !), the Nationwide calculate my mortgage daily.

Come on DVLC, stop sitting on your [STRIKE]thumbs twiddling your[/STRIKE] backside twiddling your thumbs.

=rizla=

esuhl wrote: »

The road fund licence doesn't cover the cost of maintaining the roads, so I think it's probably fair that "car tax" is increased.

Really, I think once you add up tax on new cars, road fund licence, tax on fuel, tax on servicing/repairs, tax on insurance, and i'm sure I've missed some tax revenue on cars, that the motorist pays a lot more than is spent on roads.


I remember a motoring program a few years ago, they said in 197x ~£7billion was spent on roads, and ~£7billion was paid in tax by motorists, fast forward to 20XX ~£7billion still spent on roads, but the motorist now pays ~£35billion in tax.



Yep add the tax onto fuel, saves money, everybody who uses the roads pays for them.

Cornucopia

There's no incentive for DVLA to change this. They provide zero and low-rate road tax brackets, and people in those groups are not bothered by the extra month's payment.

Yes, I understand that these cars tend to be newer, but there are some examples now available second-hand at 6-9 years old, and a few at 10 years+.

force_ten

simple answer is if this worries you that month dont collect your car on the last day of the month

arrange the deal and collect the car on the first of the month, and if it is such a big issue then the dealers are going to be very busy at the start of the month and very quiet at the end of the month

my car tax works out about £10.00 so it is hardly a deal breaker when you look at the total cost of changing my car which usually runs to about 15K

yes it is a PITB having to pay the extra month but it is not the end of the world

anotheruser

JP08 wrote: »

There is no technical reason for car tax to be monthly based at all any more. Yes, when you had a disc, printing only 12 versions en masse made sense, but the whole thing is computerised now - why not to the day like the MoT - which the date is tracked on now anyhow.

Or just put a few pence on petrol and get rid of it all together?
Then those who drive more will pay more, while those who drive once a week would pay less.

AdrianC

It's very simple. You bought an untaxed car. You wanted it on the road during February, so you had to buy an entire month's tax. If you'd been happy taxing it from March 1st, then you could have bought tax from 1st March on 27th or 28th Feb online.

None of that has changed. The only thing that's changed is that all used car sales now are untaxed, instead of "only" about 2/3 of used car sales...

Just as a matter of interest, exactly how much money are we talking about for one month's VED?

force_ten

anotheruser wrote: »

Or just put a few pence on petrol and get rid of it all together?
Then those who drive more will pay more, while those who drive once a week would pay less.

what do you call a few pence? to me that would be 2p per litre

at present i do about 10,000 miles per year, and pay £130.00 pounds per year road tax, so the government would need to add 13p per litre or 59p per gallon to get the same revenue from a fuel subsidy so hardly the few pence that you talk of

with the tax range on car going from zero up to about five hundred pounds a year adding money to fuel to cover the cost of road tax is a real non starter

AdrianC

anotheruser wrote: »

Or just put a few pence on petrol and get rid of it all together?

I did dig the numbers out a while back, and it came out to about 12p per litre to break even.

Then those who drive more will pay more, while those who drive once a week would pay less.

Exactly. Business users will pay CONSIDERABLY more, especially any hauliers or businesses doing deliveries, and that is only going to get passed on to consumers through increased prices.

Alter_ego

esuhl wrote: »

The road fund licence

Which century was there such a fund?