The UK doesn’t have a housing shortage

cells

jjlandlord wrote: »

I have seen these numbers, but that does not mean that they are realistic.
For example if they include large areas of farmland in "Paris" then obviously the average density will drop. However that density won't be representative.

I wouldn't want to live in a semi or terrace that achieves a higher density that a flat!

A lot of the area inside the M25 is also green farmland or greenbelt.


Tower blocks although 10-20 floors high typically have a lot of space around them that is to say you dont have them right next to each other. A street of 3 floor terrace homes is a bit like a tower block on its side

both can be good or bad. In my experience as long as the home has 100sqm or more it can be made good but there is only so much you can do woth a 40sqm home or flat

Loughton_Monkey

N1AK wrote: »

How on earth is someone pointing out that I have two spare bedrooms making a compelling argument that their isn't a housing shortage?......

Wooooshhhhhhhh....

:doh:

purch

cells wrote: »

Tower blocks although 10-20 floors high typically have a lot of space around them that is to say you dont have them right next to each other.

That is so when you have a "Ronan Point" incident they don't fall into each other :eek:

NorthFin

stator wrote: »

Of course there's no shortage of bedrooms. People are greedy after all.
There is a housing shortage though, prices tell you that. If there was no shortage do you really think house prices would be at their current levels?

Think about what you are saying? There is a housing shortage but no shortage of bedrooms? That is what you are saying.

If everyone wanted to have a big house with extra spare bedrooms then yes there is a housing shortage. Hang on yes that is the situation in the UK right now.

stator wrote: »

If there was no shortage do you really think house prices would be at their current levels?

Um maybe because of zero base rate kept too low for too long, plus last ditch desperate attempts of keeping prices propped up so high with HTB and other doomed ideas?

jjlandlord

cells wrote: »

A lot of the area inside the M25 is also green farmland or greenbelt.

Tower blocks although 10-20 floors high typically have a lot of space around them that is to say you dont have them right next to each other. A street of 3 floor terrace homes is a bit like a tower block on its side

You are making a lot of assumptions in order to try to justify what is plain incorrect, for some reason.

France builds much more flats than the UK, and French cities tend to have denser housing than British ones.

Arguably, the UK should move towards more flats, because that's how you deliver more homes on less land.

N1AK

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Wooooshhhhhhhh....

:doh:

One assumes that's the sound of the shoddy logic you used crashing spectacularly into the ground

Delude yourself all you want, but a survey about over-crowding in properties is not a sound basis for judging housing supply.

michaels

jjlandlord wrote: »

You are making a lot of assumptions in order to try to justify what is plain incorrect, for some reason.

France builds much more flats than the UK, and French cities tend to have denser housing than British ones.

Arguably, the UK should move towards more flats, because that's how you deliver more homes on less land.

What if those who end up having to live in flats when they would prefer to live in houses with land between them and their neighbours were given a say rather than having a planning system in which the minority of nimbys who already benefit from plenty of space and nice views are able to keep it that way thank you very much and force any new builds onto small brownfield sites.

Jason74

N1AK wrote: »

One assumes that's the sound of the shoddy logic you used crashing spectacularly into the ground

Delude yourself all you want, but a survey about over-crowding in properties is not a sound basis for judging housing supply.

Now that's a whoosh that the big bad wolf would be proud of. You can blow plenty of houses down with that one!!!

Jason74

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

To summarise, I think her view was that we have a perfectly good house. Hence there is no housing shortage. Therefore no need to do anything at all. Problem solved.

.... large gin & tonics all round.... :rotfl:

While I know this post is tongue in cheek, you've inadvertently hit the nail on the head with the part of the post I have quoted. For many people, the attitude is very .much "the housing crisis doesn't affect me, there fore there is no problem (and some might even see it as a good thing,as it increases the value of their " assets".

Until either more people develop a social conscience, or (more likely) the problem touches soany more xdle income people that it can't be ignored (it already blights many on low income, but too many people have a view that that doesn't really matter) then nothing will change. But that time is IMHO sooner than some think

mayonnaise

Killerseven wrote: »

The upshot is that nearly 70% of households in the UK have at least one bedroom more than they need (or use).

We don't have any of those. :huh:
Mrs mayo never fails to convert unneeded or underused bedrooms into highly needed and overused hoarding rooms and walk-in wardrobes.