The UK doesn’t have a housing shortage

cells

jjlandlord wrote: »

In France most people live in flats, and housing in general is therefore denser.
Paris houses roughly the same population as London on half the land.

not quite

most people in France live in detached homes 44%,
flats 33% and 23% semi-terrace

The UK is 24% detached,
15% flats and 61% semi-terrace



Urban paris is 3680 persons per sqkm vs
urban London is 5750

although correctly inner paris is more dense than inner london but that is only about 20% of paris the other 80% is less dense

cells

France Housing Starts

2010 346,018
2011 421,306
2012 346,463
2013 331,867
2014 297,532

5 Year total = 1,743,186

UK last 5 year total ~650,000


Edit: INSEE show 4% HPI between 2010 to Now. Good supply = low to no HPI but no crash.

jjlandlord

cells wrote: »

not quite

most people in France live in detached homes 44%,
flats 33% and 23% semi-terrace

The UK is 24% detached,
15% flats and 61% semi-terrace



Urban paris is 3680 persons per sqkm vs
urban London is 5750

although correctly inner paris is more dense than inner london but that is only about 20% of paris the other 80% is less dense

I call bull on the density numbers. London is a low density city, especially so compared to Paris.

As for flats, the issue is that in the UK most people live in houses even in towns whereas in France most people in towns live in flats.
It is much easier to deliver homes in flats than in houses.

Zero_Sum

usa1 wrote: »

There are plenty of housing up north & in Wales, but the demand is in the SE and London. They build the housing in the wrong place. ie. up north rather than within the M25.

or maybe that government policy is far too londoncentric (look at uneployment stats in those areas compared to SE). why don't the government encourage jobs outside of london?

no reason why many government depts could be moved north

CLAPTON

Zero_Sum wrote: »

or maybe that government policy is far too londoncentric (look at uneployment stats in those areas compared to SE). why don't the government encourage jobs outside of london?

no reason why many government depts could be moved north

most government jobs are outside London; although some are in Wales and Northern Ireland

Generali

jjlandlord wrote: »

I call bull on the density numbers. London is a low density city, especially so compared to Paris.

As for flats, the issue is that in the UK most people live in houses even in towns whereas in France most people in towns live in flats.
It is much easier to deliver homes in flats than in houses.

I depends what you call Paris and what you call London really. If you go all the way out to the Banlieu you are including an awful lot of parkland and plain old-fashioned countryside.

cells

jjlandlord wrote: »

I call bull on the density numbers. London is a low density city, especially so compared to Paris.

As for flats, the issue is that in the UK most people live in houses even in towns whereas in France most people in towns live in flats.
It is much easier to deliver homes in flats than in houses.

The density of london and paris is available on wiki go look it up and if you want look up the reference also. Look for the urban atea not the 'paris' of 2 million people which is effectively only inner Paris

Terrace and semi-D housing can also be dense and the UK has far more terrace homes than France.

purch

Killerseven wrote: »

misallocation of the floor space we already have.

Is Moneyweek advocating that all property should be seized by the State and allocated in such a way as that every room is occupied in the manner they deem acceptable ?

N1AK

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

I bet you feel a right numpty now. Having banged on about a housing shortage for years, when you're presented with a compelling argument that there simply is no housing shortage.

How on earth is someone pointing out that I have two spare bedrooms making a compelling argument that their isn't a housing shortage? I like my guest room and my office, I'm not about to rent them out to a family who can't find a house to live in, so they have approximately nothing to do with whether their is a housing shortage or not.

The number of households is increasing faster than the number of houses, the size of households is decreasing and the population is increasing, and the ratios of both houses to population to houses to households are low compared to other countries.

When we have many measures of actual availability of housing that show we're short, why on earth would we start using a very poor proxy (bedroom utilisation) to measure it (apart from the blind need to find a measure that fits a world-view that doesn't match reality)?

jjlandlord

cells wrote: »

The density of london and paris is available on wiki go look it up and if you want look up the reference also. Look for the urban atea not the 'paris' of 2 million people which is effectively only inner Paris

I have seen these numbers, but that does not mean that they are realistic.
For example if they include large areas of farmland in "Paris" then obviously the average density will drop. However that density won't be representative.

cells wrote: »

Terrace and semi-D housing can also be dense and the UK has far more terrace homes than France.

I wouldn't want to live in a semi or terrace that achieves a higher density that a flat!