Matalan Luton Parking Fine

neil.net

NotBothered wrote: »

I have read loads of threads on here where you dont appear to care that motorist have blatantly admitted to doing the wrong thing you are just interested in making the Parking companies collapse. Do you know the best way to make that happen? Stop breaking the rules, park like an honest individual with integrity and decency and there would be no money to be made. And dont go off on a tangent about those individuals who have been charged because of a disability or something I am (at present) talking about the individuals who blatantly and deliberately park inappropriately.

Then you clearly haven't taken your head out of the clouds and seen what the whole ethos of the forum section is in relation to. As for not going off on a tangent, maybe you shouldn't highjack a thread to offer you own sanctimonious desire.

Dublindel wrote: »

That includes failing to see parking signs and meters.

Clearly not aware of how the PPCs manipulate the situation then.

arabesque_101

NotBothered wrote: »

And why should they have a barrier method?

You answered your own question further up.

NotBothered wrote: »

(because) I should just not pay and if they DO catch me i will just pay what I should have paid at the start

NotBothered

neil.net wrote: »

to offer you own sanctimonious.

Pray do tell - what IS my santimonious desire?

NotBothered

arabesque_101 wrote: »

You answered your own question further up.

What I am saying is WHY should they pay for a barrier method and how do they enforce it? You cannot hold people in your car park even though you KNOW they have done the wrong thing!

neil.net

NotBothered wrote: »

Pray do tell - what IS my santimonious desire?

Perhaps has I should have said opinion. But as mentioned before, you seem to lack any genuine comprehension of the PPC world yet you seem quite content to dish out your "tuppence worth".

arabesque_101

NotBothered wrote: »

What I am saying is WHY should they pay for a barrier method?

There we go, it always come to this. Why should they pay out money for boom gates to be installed, maintained an monitored, when they have the alternative of receiving lucrative income from slapping notices on windscreens or sending invoices in the mail.

You got it in one.

chrishgt4

Wow, this exploded. Ok so to answer a few questions (read insults)

It was a Matalan which I was just calling into to get some trousers as I was passing. I've never been to a Matalan before where it was pay and display, or indeed any out of town shopping centre. Fact is I just wasn't expecting to look out for pay and display signs. I spent £35 in the store as well, and the idea is spend in store and get your parking fee back. When I went back the store refused to help me.

Regards not noticing the 'yellow bag' - it was placed in what I can only assume was an intentionally obscure place at the very bottom corner passenger side under the edge of the windscreen wiper.

Anyway - this isn't an argument forum, it is assistance in these matters so please take your negativity elsewhere.

Kindest regards

chrishgt4

nigelbb wrote: »

OP you say that you didn't realise that it was a pay & display car park but your POPLA appeal states that it is a free car park & that there was no initial loss. This argument is completely contradictory & your appeal will fail.

Hi,

The idea of the car park is that if you use it for shopping at Matalan then you get a refund. Hence the use of quotation marks around 'free' and specifying 'to all genuine customers of Matalan'

Perhaps I didn't state that clearly enough, which sucks cos I've already sent it...

neil.net

chrishgt4 wrote: »

Hi,

The idea of the car park is that if you use it for shopping at Matalan then you get a refund. Hence the use of quotation marks around 'free' and specifying 'to all genuine customers of Matalan'

Perhaps I didn't state that clearly enough, which sucks cos I've already sent it...

The problem there (if I've read things correctly) is that you would pay for the ticket of which proceeds go to the PPC, Matalan then refund you and so in effect they have paid for you parking. So parking would be free for you, but not purchasing a ticket results in a loss for the PPC, unless of course they would normally reimburse Matalan.

All may not be lost, the PPC will respond with their evidence at which time you can counter any points they put forward, including any attempt to counter your "no loss" claim.

bazster

NotBothered wrote: »

Oh come on! P&D signs are large.

Really? You know this car park do you? We're talking about a private parking company here: hard to read, tiny and incomprehensible signage is a standard feature of their modus operandii.

NotBothered wrote: »

And it really is YOUR responsibility to know where you are leaving your car!

If only we were all perfect like you.

NotBothered wrote: »

Ignorance is no defense. Sorry Officer I didnt see the 30mph speed limit so you should let me off because it was never my Intention to speed!

Ignorance of the law is no defence. Ignorance of the speed limit at any particular location is not the same as ignorance of the law, and is entirely excusable if the signage is missing or not up to standard. In any case we're not talking about an offence, we're talking about a civil matter.

NotBothered wrote: »

And why should they have a barrier method?

For the same reason I have locks on my front door. Perhaps you don't?

NotBothered wrote: »

They have a perfectly good P&D machine that you should use.

If you realise it's there. Again: entrapment is what these companies do. They don't want £1 from you, they want £100, so it's in their interest that you don't pay £1.

NotBothered wrote: »

And in the cases where shops offer you free parking for a certain amount of time, how can they ensure you are only in their store - what are they going to do - NOT raise the barrier? Even though they dont want to because you blatantly left the site to conduct other business and then made a token purchase with them to obtain your exit from the park?

That's exactly how it works at one of my local supermarkets. Spend £5 in the shop and they will stamp your car park ticket for you to show at the exit. But since the scheme is run by the shop itself and not some predatory parking company, they apply common sense:

- Forgot to get your ticket stamped? Show them your receipt and they will open the barrier.

- Quiet time of the day or week so car park not busy? It's not worth manning the barrier, so they just leave it open.

- Didn't shop there so don't have a stamped ticket or receipt? So they charge you the regular parking fee (a couple of quid an hour or whatever it is) and you go on your way.

It works well, because they do it to manage the car park effectively, not to extort ludicrous sums from the unwary.

NotBothered wrote: »

And I already said that £100 was excessive, however the stolen £1 repaid is not enough!

It's still not stolen. You need to brush up on your understanding of the law. Theft is to take something with the intention (intention) of permanently depriving its owner of it.

Making a mistake is not theft. And yes, in the real world (unlike Planet Perfect where you evidently live) people do make mistakes.

NotBothered wrote: »

<rant snipped>

And dont go off on a tangent about those individuals who have been charged because of a disability or something I am (at present) talking about the individuals who blatantly and deliberately park inappropriately.

Well in that case you are off-topic, because the OP on this thread made a mistake: he didn't realise it was P&D.