Inconsidererate, aggressive, but not necessarily dangerous. Report?

tight_scotsman

Everyone who shares the road needs to take responsibility for the way they use the roads.
Cyclists are here to stay wether we like it or not. I don't cycle , but they are the most vulnerable road users.
It's OK to hate other road users such as cyclists. But if your actions kills one of them you will go to jail.
I drive a 15m coach in and around central London regularly. Sitting in a high up position gives me an exellent view of the road. Some of the tactics employed by cyclists and cars is frightening.
Personally speaking I give as much room to cyclists as they need to help keep them safe. I could take the aggressive stance and shout and blast air horns at them. But that just gets my blood pressure up. And if I kill them like I said before. I have never fancied sharing a jail cell with a 18 stone body builder who calls himself Shirley on a Friday night lol.

A experienced cyclist gave me a sound bit of advice a few years back when I first started driving coaches.

Always try to make eye contact with any cyclists at junctions. That way they know you are aware of there presence and vulnerability.

Norman_Castle

Always try to make eye contact with any cyclists at junctions. That way they know you are aware of there presence and vulnerability.

When cycling I always try to make eye contact with drivers at junctions, just so I know they've seen me.

Tobster86

Eye contact is a good point, and one that I think extends to other road users too. When approaching a pedestrian crossing on foot, for example, you can use body language and eye contact in a way that indicates your intentions to road users before you arrive at the crossing.

Many people don't even look up from their iPhones though.

Eye contact isn't really relevant here though. The rude & impatient don't really care.

Norman_Castle

Tilt wrote: »

In the absence of any part of the bike in the footage, it's hard to relate to where the camera is attached thus difficult to asses the position of the bike in the road.



If I am understanding your question correctly, you are asking where the best fixed position for a video camera would be on a bike? Well for a start, I would suggest that a bike should have at least 2 cameras; one rear facing (attached to the bike itself rather than the rider) and one attached facing forward. In both cases the camera should capture part of the bike to show the it's actual position on the road.

Helmet mounted cameras are all very well as a back up view but may not always demonstrate the movement of the bike for obvious reasons.

As most bike cameras are attached inside the hand grips and therefore near central its not difficult to assess the bikes position. Have you ever seen a camera mounted outside the handlebar width?.

I'm not asking for advice on camera mount positions. The question is, do you understand there will be movement from a camera mounted on a bike and this does not indicate the cyclist is weaving?.

pinkteapot

boliston wrote: »

I sometimes call 101 to report idiots who drive dangerously if they have put my life in risk - there are some people who seem to think shaving a couple of seconds off their important journey is worth the risk of ending someone's life.

Does anything come of it? I've always wondered if it was worth it.

Still, the main one I would have want to have reported I couldn't... A driver ran a red light at a pedestrian and bike crossing and almost wiped me out. It had been red for several seconds. Two lanes of traffic had stopped. He was in an empty lane and just barrelled through. :eek: Didn't get his number plate though.

modsandmockers

Tobster86 wrote: »

Well, some humorously interesting if twisted justifications from the anti-cycling brigade. You guys should have been defence lawyers at the Nuremberg trials!

Clarifications:
-Secondary position, as is actually really clear from the footage. The camera is mounted about 5cm offset left from the centre of the handlebars; confirmed in the shed full of !!!! photo.
-Just over 20mph is about spot on; it's a 20 year old Raleigh ten-speed on skinny city hybrid slicks, coming down a slight incline from a bridge.
-I didn't realise this wasn't clear in the video, but it was absolutely certainly the silver BMW that was using the horn. Anyone that's not a complete numpty can clearly tell it's use is entirely aggressive; a warning of presence would have been something like a couple of short pips before the largely impatient overtake.
-40mph speed limit, within the Worcester ring road, approaching a 30 that the BMW clearly does not slow down for. It's been 40mph since the previous roundabout at the ring road.
-I saw the BMW in my actually very good rear view mirror (I strongly recommend this particular unit as there are mostly awful ones out there, but this one is clear, sturdy and excellent) and watched him come right from the bridge behind; highly likely speeding but made to slow down a little by my presence.
-I wasn't listening to music and don't while cycling. The prospect of not having a full sense of hearing whilst trying to share the road with the idiot in the video (and apparently a few on this forum) is terrifying.
-Single male driver, and yes he did gesticulate afterwards (not clear in video). Rest assured this was promptly returned.
-I don't own any lycra, I think it outrages public decency!
-When I'm not cycling I drive a BMW 540i. It has 295bhp, and I bought it primarily for that reason. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Interesting thread. The reason I started it was to get people's opinion on whether impatient rudeness like this should be reported as, completely honestly, it didn't feel as unsafe as the video might seem. Yes, the overtake wasn't exactly text book in terms of space, but could have been far worse.

The anti-cyclist brigade on this forum are convincing me that I should report it though. I have the opportunity to do my part to save the rest of us from having to share the roads with such morons, so feel duty bound to do so.

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Tilt

Norman_Castle wrote: »

As most bike cameras are attached inside the hand grips and therefore near central its not difficult to assess the bikes position. Have you ever seen a camera mounted outside the handlebar width?.

So you know for sure where the camera is attached in this case then?

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I'm not asking for advice on camera mount positions. The question is, do you understand there will be movement from a camera mounted on a bike and this does not indicate the cyclist is weaving?.

Yes I understand perfectly well thank you. If the camera is attached to the handle bars then it will not portray any significant weaving movement of the frame of the bike.

Tobster86

Tilt wrote: »

So you know for sure where the camera is attached in this case then?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-iyJRLLlHbfWDRsVHZvVXd1Y0k/view

Bracket on the left.

Norman_Castle

Tilt wrote: »

So you know for sure where the camera is attached in this case then?

Yes.

Norman_Castle

modsandmockers wrote: »

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