Do driving test examiners prefer driving schools?

arcon5

DaveF327 wrote: »

Allow me to set the record straight.

Examiners are not only impartial, they are total strangers to you and your son. That means they couldn't possibly have anything to hold against you. There is no motivation for issuing a fail "for the sake of it" as they have absolutely nothing to gain for doing so.

But they know the instructors there, which was ops point. Whether they favor students of their 'mates' or not.

If you were not present during the test to witness what really happened, you are relying on the recall of events from the candidate. The same candidate whose judgement wasn't quite good enough to pass the test will only give you his version of events as perceived through his somewhat clouded judgement. Quite often, they will never admit to the gravity of their mistakes.

So you're saying something who can't pass a driving test is unable to communicate effectively and recall events objectively? Weird logic. I passed my test many years ago second time, guess that means until that second attempt I was an idiot without a brain.

but assuming the traffic in front was driving at 50, the conditions were safe enough to drive at 50 and the distance between vehicles is already safe, then one should be driving at 50. 45 is too slow,

What a load of carp.
Ever heard the saying 'its a limit, not a target'?!

45mph in a 50 is no way in hell "too slow". It's a perfectly acceptable speed.

Imo the examiner acted unreasonably failing him on this.

especially if the gap in front is ever widening and following traffic is becoming frustrated. It won't be long before traffic starts to overtake and fill the gap in front that the driver had left.

Who cares if traffic ahead is widening?
Further more if traffic gets frustrated with ops reasonable speed then that's not his problem.

matttye

'It's a limit not a target' is usually said when people are trying to justify slow driving.

I doubt anyone would've criticised him driving 45 in a 50 if weather was bad, roads were really wet etc. but part of the driving test is that you should be making good progress. If there's no reason not to drive 50, then drive 50.

cajef

arcon5 wrote: »

But they know the instructors there, which was ops point. Whether they favor students of their 'mates' or not.
They only know the instructors on a working basis, if would be more than their job is worth to favour anybody.

So you're saying something who can't pass a driving test is unable to communicate effectively and recall events objectively? Weird logic. I passed my test many years ago second time, guess that means until that second attempt I was an idiot without a brain.

We are saying that pupils are not aware of what they have done wrong due to the pressure of the test, though reading your post I suspect your last statement could be true.

What a load of carp.
Ever heard the saying 'its a limit, not a target'?!

Time you took your test again

45mph in a 50 is no way in hell "too slow". It's a perfectly acceptable speed.

If traffic as moving at 50 mph a pupil is expected to keep up with the traffic and not cause a hazard by holding people up.

Imo the examiner acted unreasonably failing him on this.

On what do you base this opinion are you a qualified ADI or examiner?

Who cares if traffic ahead is widening?
Further more if traffic gets frustrated with ops reasonable speed then that's not his problem.

If traffic is getting frustrated by anyone not keeping up with the flow of traffic they are causing a hazard and is definitely a problem especially on a driving test, it is a failure i.e not making due progress.

You obviously need a refresher course with a qualified instructor.

almillar

arcon5

What a load of carp.
Ever heard the saying 'its a limit, not a target'?!
45mph in a 50 is no way in hell "too slow". It's a perfectly acceptable speed.

Wrong - during your driving test, you're meant to drive AT the speed limit, if it's safe to do so. To do otherwise would make them think you don't know the speed limit through poor observation, or aren't CAPABLE of driving at that speed.
Here in NI, 'L' platers are restricted to 45mph, which can be pretty scary in rush hour trying to merge with dual carraigeway traffic!

fivetide

I dunno, I failed largely due to the examiner with mine. He took me down a road that was very narrow and someone was having a party or something. Double parked cars all over.


We got to the end of the road and I had to edge the car round, checking the mirror to make sure we were clear.


Examiner stopped the car, opened the door and said it was ok to go on, "he just wanted to check". Given there was a foot of space so he could open the door, I asked why he didn't just look in the mirror. It was a stupid thing for him to do (no other faults) and he even said my driving was "exemplary" but he was failing me anyway.


While I agree the examiner is meant to be impartial, in reality if any test centre had a 100% pass rate then they would be getting examined themselves. I suspect very much that some people get failed just to make the numbers look right.

bod1467

fivetide wrote: »

I suspect very much that some people get failed just to make the numbers look right.

That is almost certainly true. The same applies for driving instructors ... if their pupil/pass ratio gets too high (or too low) they may be subject to scrutiny from regulators. (My neighbour is a driving instructor - so I had this info "from the horse's mouth" so to speak).

Indout96

I taught my wife to drive back in 1990 but she had a couple of "proper" lessons before her test and took the test in the instructors car this was mainly so that the instructor could show her what was needed to pass rather than drive.
Needing to drive at the speed limit is something that I did not know about but having read the comments above it seems totally logical now and you can see the reason for it.


I don't think I have ever met anyone who failed because of their driving, it was always something else to blame ;-)

bod1467

DarkShatter wrote: »

They prefer dual controls, put it that way...

Is this who I think it is?

Spicy_McHaggis

bod1467 wrote: »

Is this who I think it is?

He's also on as Voltaire7.

matttye

bod1467 wrote: »

That is almost certainly true. The same applies for driving instructors ... if their pupil/pass ratio gets too high (or too low) they may be subject to scrutiny from regulators. (My neighbour is a driving instructor - so I had this info "from the horse's mouth" so to speak).

Probably but so long as sufficient notes are made and justification for decisions is written down, there should be no problem with such scrutiny.