School fine withdrawn!

supersaver2

Jagraf wrote: »

If a parent was speeding at the time the child was in their car, its only that parent that should have the fine. Same with education. The parent responsible at the time should get the fine.

If the reprimand was harsher maybe this problem wouldn't be here in the first place.

We shouldn't remove children from the opportunity of education.

Why do parents even feel they can choose whether their children are educated or not? It's a human right.

I'm a secondary teacher and a parent and just don't agree with holidays in term time. I spent a summer a few years ago in Kenya building a school. The children over there would all love the opportunity to be educated and go to school, then we have parents here willingly taking their children away from education to spend a couple of weeks in Magaluf. I agree holidays are beneficial, hence the many holidays children get. If you can't afford a holiday abroad use your imagination, go camping, in a caravan etc. Spending time with our children is the most important thing, not the location. I was never taken out of school as a child, we had to be at deaths door to be off school! We never had a foreign holiday as children either, we were just excited to have a long weekend in Scarborough!

Jagraf

supersaver2 wrote: »

I'm a secondary teacher and a parent and just don't agree with holidays in term time. I spent a summer a few years ago in Kenya building a school. The children over there would all love the opportunity to be educated and go to school, then we have parents here willingly taking their children away from education to spend a couple of weeks in Magaluf. I agree holidays are beneficial, hence the many holidays children get. If you can't afford a holiday abroad use your imagination, go camping, in a caravan etc. Spending time with our children is the most important thing, not the location. I was never taken out of school as a child, we had to be at deaths door to be off school! We never had a foreign holiday as children either, we were just excited to have a long weekend in Scarborough!

Absolutely.

Gaz126_2

supersaver2, and what if you are seperated and not willingly wanting your child to miss education. How would propose preventing this?

Gaz126_2

Jagraf, I will liken this to a speeding fine committed by another person (at their will to do so) and you having to pay the fine every time they do!!!

Jagraf

Gaz126 wrote: »

Jagraf, I will liken this to a speeding fine committed by another person (at their will to do so) and you having to pay the fine every time they do!!!

I am in agreement with you.

I actually think the situation is an easier one in theory for separated parents. At least you know which one decided to take them out of school, or the one they are on holiday with.

For parents who are still together its more difficult.

I've said in previous threads I don't agree with taking children out of education (my education was appalling as was my parents education and to me its a luxury), but if I did I wouldn't expect my ex to be responsible.

On the other hand if my ex did it I would be furious. But he wouldn't, thankfully no-one with any responsibilities for DD, including step-parents, think its a good idea.

Marisco

Jagraf wrote: »

I am in agreement with you.

I actually think the situation is an easier one in theory for separated parents. At least you know which one decided to take them out of school, or the one they are on holiday with.

For parents who are still together its more difficult.

I've said in previous threads I don't agree with taking children out of education (my education was appalling as was my parents education and to me its a luxury), but if I did I wouldn't expect my ex to be responsible.

On the other hand if my ex did it I would be furious. But he wouldn't, thankfully no-one with any responsibilities for DD, including step-parents, think its a good idea.

And this is the thrust of the thread, everything else is just "window dressing" Of course it's unacceptable to take kids out of school just for a holiday, that is not the argument here. But if parents are separated and one does it without the knowledge of the other, then the one that does it should be solely liable, not both.

Jagraf

Marisco wrote: »

And this is the thrust of the thread, everything else is just "window dressing" Of course it's unacceptable to take kids out of school just for a holiday, that is not the argument here. But if parents are separated and one does it without the knowledge of the other, then the one that does it should be solely liable, not both.

That's the only logical solution. You can't blame another person for something they know nothing about or have not had any involvement in.

Lunar_Eclipse

[QUOTE=Jagraf;67761164
We shouldn't remove children from the opportunity of education.

Why do parents even feel they can choose whether their children are educated or not? It's a human right.[/QUOTE]

Under UK law we can't. But we can choose whether they are educated at school or not. There are several ways to educate children and taking them out of school or not sending them to school at all does not mean their parents devalue education. The opposite can be true.

My children go to school and I agree it can be disruptive to remove them from school, but I often wonder why so many parents believe the UK government is best placed to decide how and what children are educated in: a class of 30 children born within a year of each other with widely varying degrees of learning speeds, behavioural traits, physical and mental capabilities, interests, strengths and weaknesses. It's not the only way.

Marisco

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

a class of 30 children born within a year of each other with widely varying degrees of learning speeds, behavioural traits, physical and mental capabilities, interests, strengths and weaknesses. It's not the only way.

Which is why I'm dead set against mixed ability classes, and in favour of streaming according to ability. But again this is going way off topic

FBaby

I was never taken out of school as a child, we had to be at deaths door to be off school! We never had a foreign holiday as children either, we were just excited to have a long weekend in Scarborough!

And I had parents who didn't think twice before taking me out of school to go on exotic holidays which left me with wonderful memories yet an education history on my CV to be proud of.

Education alone means so little. Some children will be seriously affected by missing a few days, other kids are failed by the school because their needs fall outside of that of the average pupil.

I agree, this is going away from the topic, but it is so tiring to read over and over how all children are considered equal in terms of the effects of missing school on their future, just as it is ridiculous to consider parents who take their kids from school 1 or 2 days every few years as irresponsible as those who take their kids off for 1 or 2 weeks systematically each year.