Landlords to blame for Britain's rising house prices

tkane

CLAPTON wrote: »

Why is a low birth rate undesirable : is importing less food and less essential fuel, bad for the living standards of the people of the UK?

:rotfl::rotfl:

Is this a serious question?

Who pays for the pensions and the NHS once all the current workers retire?????????

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

tkane

Cyberman60 wrote: »

The girl murdered on the Brent towpath and dumped in the canal in October was murdered by a convicted murderer from eastern Europe. We simply should not be allowing these types in. I really don't care about manipulated statistics and percentages. The reality is that we have imported serious crime from Eastern Europe through unfettered immigration. :mad:

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Thank you for taking the bait and demonstrating your low level of intelligence.

You have given me an example of one immigrant out of a total immigrat population of millions.

Would you be happy if I called you a murdering rapist simply because I saw a white British man on the news who raped and murdered an innocent little girl?

CLAPTON

tkane wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl:

Is this a serious question?

Who pays for the pensions and the NHS once all the current workers retire?????????

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

are you seriously suggesting that the only solution is for an indefinite increase in population :
do you believe the world has infinite resources ?

do you seriously believe that there will be no workers in the UK when the current generation retire?

do you think that currently the UK is short of labour?

Cyberman60

tkane wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl:

Is this a serious question?

Who pays for the pensions and the NHS once all the current workers retire?????????

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Will pensions exist in an islamic state ? :rotfl:

The great majority of births will be muslims very soon and as 50% of muslims don't work (75% for muslim women) I cannot understand your simplistic logic.

tkane

CLAPTON wrote: »

are you seriously suggesting that the only solution is for an indefinite increase in population :
do you believe the world has infinite resources ?

No one is advocating exponential growth in population sizes.

But it is the aspiration of all governments to have stable or increasing populations of working age adults.

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you seriously believe that there will be no workers in the UK when the current generation retire?

You suggested that government policy of shrinking population size would be a good thing - this would have the consequence of the government having no money to fund the retirements of the current working age population.

You must know that the elderly are living much longer than they used to 20 years ago and their treatments have also got considerably more expensive. These are things which are to be welcomed, but at the same time, who pays for this?

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you think that currently the UK is short of labour?

If you are talking about UK born labour, it is not a matter of thinking, it is rather a matter of fact that there is a shortage of willing and able labour in the UK.

You can point to the unemployment figures but how many 18 year old white Brits are willing to clean toilets for 10 hours a day?

tkane

Cyberman60 wrote: »

Will pensions exist in an islamic state ? :rotfl:

The great majority of births will be muslims very soon and as 50% of muslims don't work (75% for muslim women) I cannot understand your simplistic logic.

Ohhh muslim invasion, oh sharia law, ohhh eastern criminals.

Ohhh look aliens from out of space.

Give it a rest will you, your ignorance is painful.

CLAPTON

tkane wrote: »

No one is advocating exponential growth in population sizes.

But it is the aspiration of all governments to have stable or increasing populations of working age adults.






If you are talking about UK born labour, it is not a matter of thinking, it is rather a matter of fact that there is a shortage of willing and able labour in the UK.

You can point to the unemployment figures but how many 18 year old white Brits are willing to clean toilets for 10 hours a day?

What sort of growth in population are you advocating?

There is clearly not a shortage of labour in the UK : if there were then the price of labour (wages ) would have increased strongly in real terms.

I dislike your racist comment about 'white' brits. It is a commonplace that the UK has a multiracial, multi ethic background and multi colour population.

If there were a shortage of people to clean toilets (which there isn't) the price of their labour would rise until the demand was meet.

tkane

CLAPTON wrote: »

What sort of growth in population are you advocating?

For me personally I would not mind seeing the population of the UK rising to 80 million to match Germany.

We certainly have the land to accommodate such an increase but it would be phased in over the next 50-100 years.

But for current purposes I could not give you an exact indication of what population increase we should have as I am not privy to government statistics and projections.

Whatever it is, it should be stable and sustainable.

CLAPTON wrote: »

There is clearly not a shortage of labour in the UK : if there were then the price of labour (wages ) would have increased strongly in real terms.

lol

The reason why the wages in the UK have not gone up dramatically is because 1) the cheap supply of EU labour has helped depress wage demands in the UK and 2) British businesses have been able to outsource a lot of their operations abroad where there is cheaper labour.

There IS a shortage of British born labour - this is a fact my friend.

CLAPTON wrote: »

I dislike your racist comment about 'white' brits. It is a commonplace that the UK has a multiracial, multi ethic background and multi colour population.

It wasn't a racist comment, it was a comment intended to distinguish between white and non-white British people.

This is because I know of non-white British people who would be willing to clean toilets but can't think of a single white person in my circle of friends who would do so.

CLAPTON wrote: »

If there were a shortage of people to clean toilets (which there isn't) the price of their labour would rise until the demand was meet.

Again, you are failing to distinguish British and non British labour. There is no shortage currently because the labour force has been propped up by cheap EU labour.

If you removed that cheap source of Labour from the EU tomorrow, wages would shoot up.

CLAPTON

tkane wrote: »

For me personally I would not mind seeing the population of the UK rising to 80 million to match Germany.

We certainly have the land to accommodate such an increase but it would be phased in over the next 50-100 years.

But for current purposes I could not give you an exact indication of what population increase we should have as I am not privy to government statistics and projections.

Whatever it is, it should be stable and sustainable.




lol

The reason why the wages in the UK have not gone up dramatically is because 1) the cheap supply of EU labour has helped depress wage demands in the UK and 2) British businesses have been able to outsource a lot of their operations abroad where there is cheaper labour.

There IS a shortage of British born labour - this is a fact my friend.



It wasn't a racist comment, it was a comment intended to distinguish between white and non-white British people.

This is because I know of non-white British people who would be willing to clean toilets but can't think of a single white person in my circle of friends who would do so.




Again, you are failing to distinguish British and non British labour. There is no shortage currently because the labour force has been propped up by cheap EU labour.

If you removed that cheap source of Labour from the EU tomorrow, wages would shoot up.

currently we have a population of 65 million
so a rise to 80 million over 50 years would be an increase in population of 15/50 = 300,000 per annum
or over 100 years would be 150,000 per annum

currently net migration is running at 250,000
and population growth at round 400,000

so your 80 million at to days rates will be reached in 15 / 0.4 = 37.5 years

However, including the higher birth rate of the higher population ONS projection suggest the 80 million will occur in about 25 year

The population growth of the uK is fairly well documented by government stats and freely available on the internet.


No idea what you mean by 'stable' and 'sustainable' : is an increasing proportion of our food supply and of our energy needs being imported, 'sustainable and stable'?


Presumably you think it a good thing that wages haven't risen in the UK and look forward to a long stable and sustainable period where real wages are similarly suppressed?

jjlandlord

A lot of positive metrics haven't improved in a few years because of a certain crash an recession that is regularly mentioned in the news.

Leaving that aside, one can see that GDP per capita and salaries grew in real terms since 2002 when Eastern European countries joined the EU.
(Thus, if you complain about the NHS the real question should be: Where's the money gone?)

I think that, if only to protect quality of life, no one would claim that the UK population should continue to increase forever.
The issue is that a stable population would bring many fundamental changes that many do not seem to think about.

It would worsen the situation of the NHS, unless we find ways to seriously boost productivity it would dampen economic growth, it would negatively impact the housing market (what happens when many people are in negative equity?), etc.

Our whole system is based on the assumption that tomorrow there will be more people than today. Changing that would be fundamental, and I don't think that it's been thought through.

Amongst all of its problems, Japan has a demography in tatters and that does not help them.