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  • Collabora
    Collabora Posts: 1,360 Forumite
    RobTang wrote: »
    VeriSign manages .com
    ICANN is very very different to a registrar.


    WRONG. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/what-2012-02-25-en

    they are the ones who govern TLD's apart from .uk which is under Nominet.

    I am both accredited to ICANN and Nominet and have over 1000 domains hosted through my business
  • RobTang
    RobTang Posts: 1,064 Forumite
    Collabora wrote: »
    WRONG. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/what-2012-02-25-en

    they are the ones who govern TLD's apart from .uk which is under Nominet.

    I am both accredited to ICANN and Nominet and have over 1000 domains hosted through my business


    I never said they don't govern it but that's not the same as managing it, which is the job of the register.


    Ultimately the DNS hosting and the additional value add services it can provide are not chargeable by the registries or ICANN because its not the way DNS works.


    The number of domains you manage is irrelevant, the pricy stuff is ultimately paper work and really is irrelevant how DNS works.
  • tronator
    tronator Posts: 2,859 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    Collabora wrote: »
    NO by the end of this year they all will be chargeable, Privacy Protect is the first 1 to be chargeable. when you register a domain the registrant can offer all of these services or non of these services or just 1 of these services.
    registrants like namecheap have been charging for privacy protect for years ( whois guard) now this service is chargeable to all registrants. It is upto you when you register a domain if you take any of these addons, but if you plan to have hosting with the domain, then paying for these through the registrant is a waste of money as these are all services available in hosting control panels like cpanel
    So dont know what ICANN have decided to do this

    What a load of rubbish. How would the ICANN even know if there is an email forwarding set up for a domain? There's no way they can control or enforce such things. What's next, charging for a 301redirect?

    If I run my own mail server, how will the ICANN be able to come after me if I set up email forwarding?
  • Collabora
    Collabora Posts: 1,360 Forumite
    tronator wrote: »

    If I run my own mail server, how will the ICANN be able to come after me if I set up email forwarding?

    I suggest you read all my comments. they can control these at point of domain registration, but like you say if you have your own mail server or even just do not opt for these when you register a domain and when you get a hosting account or even an email hosting account you can set these from within the control panel such as cpanel. so charging for these as addons at registration will serve no purpose, the only people that would fall for these charges are those than don't know what they are doing.

    Same with privacy protection, you can opt for this and pay, but certain registrar types cannot opt for privacy protection
  • Collabora
    Collabora Posts: 1,360 Forumite
    RobTang wrote: »
    I never said they don't govern it but that's not the same as managing it, which is the job of the register.


    Ultimately the DNS hosting and the additional value add services it can provide are not chargeable by the registries or ICANN because its not the way DNS works.


    The number of domains you manage is irrelevant, the pricy stuff is ultimately paper work and really is irrelevant how DNS works.

    they will all be chargeable as extras at domain registration points by the end of 2015
    billing software is already getting prepared for this in the hosting industry

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  • Big_Graeme
    Big_Graeme Posts: 3,220 Forumite
    Collabora wrote: »


    Sigh, I thought you were in the hosting game?
    This doesn't back up what you are saying at all, it is two (small time players) charging for specialist services. Not a wholesale change and not anything ICANN can meter at all.
  • Collabora
    Collabora Posts: 1,360 Forumite
    Big_Graeme wrote: »
    Sigh, I thought you were in the hosting game?
    This doesn't back up what you are saying at all, it is two (small time players) charging for specialist services. Not a wholesale change and not anything ICANN can meter at all.

    charging for Forwarding Account (Advanced Web & Email Forwarding) which other say no one charges for.

    the image i provided shows the fact that billing management systems are getting prepared for these charges to start. because you are charged a wholesale price does not mean you have to pass this to customers, you can take a hit and give it free to customers. but ICANN are setting these in place which i have said i find pointless as you can use control panels like cpanel to set these free.

    The fact is large players like godaddy will swallow these costs which small hosts wont be able to do.

    The only reason i can think of ICANN doing this is to cut down on all the fly by night and kiddie hosts you see on ebay giving everything for $2 a year.

    Domains are only a secondary item for hosts as impossible to compete with godaddy/123-reg etc. The average profit i make on domains is 20p just so that i can keep inline with the big boys, so profit is made on the hosting itself
  • Big_Graeme
    Big_Graeme Posts: 3,220 Forumite
    Collabora wrote: »
    charging for Forwarding Account (Advanced Web & Email Forwarding) which other say no one charges for.

    As a specialist service. Not a charge for a regular domain user.
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