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saverbuyer

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

That is true but it's all internal money just circulating around internally.... it's not "new" money coming into the system from "outside" That can only come from the Private Sector...

Wasting your breath. They never get it. Can't see how only the private sector can create wealth.

qwert_yuiop

It could be argued that they bring money here from Westminster. The economy here will dive when the public sector is finally rationalised. Whether you want your homeland to be an enormous dole kid is another matter.

Golden_Anemone

warmhands.coldheart wrote: »

That is true but it's all internal money just circulating around internally.... it's not "new" money coming into the system from "outside" That can only come from the Private Sector...

saverbuyer wrote: »

Wasting your breath. They never get it. Can't see how only the private sector can create wealth.

Now who's got a one track mind?

I was responding to this...

True.... I do.... I think they are in a lot of cases generally overpaid and not very efficient in what they do... Fair enough you can blame the system they work within but either way it never stops... look at the recent fiasco over St.Marys and Stranmillis...... Complete Joke....... Wasting public money training teachers who will end up working in call centres or have to move out of Northern Ireland to get a job.....

...making the point that you are blaming civil servants for something that the politicians are responsible for, not arguing that civil servants create wealth. The point that they pay tax was just to demonstrate that they also have a vested interest in how tax revenue is spent.

There are plenty of old threads ranting on about how wonderful the private sector is and how useless the civil service is. Resurrect one of those if you want to continue that pointless exercise.

Golden_Anemone

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

It could be argued that they bring money here from Westminster. The economy here will dive when the public sector is finally rationalised. Whether you want your homeland to be an enormous dole kid is another matter.

I can't wait to see the society they seem to want where the only jobs are in the private sector. So no public services then?

And before you say privatisation, even if public services are privatised government needs to employ public servants to make sure the private sector does what it is contracted to do.

qwert_yuiop

Golden_Anemone wrote: »

I can't wait to see the society they seem to want where the only jobs are in the private sector. So no public services then?

And before you say privatisation, even if public services are privatised government needs to employ public servants to make sure the private sector does what it is contracted to do.

Well, I never suggested any such thing. Did anyone else? However, as long as our prosperity depends on the generosity of Westminster and the decisions of MPs who represent English constituents, and all the above mentioned overspend is derived from Whitehall as well, we're hardly in a stable position.
They could of course save a lot of money in NI by introducing a different pay scale, which, as I said above, would immediately cause a recession in the private sector. Even the famous dole cap is bound to have some knock on effect in the private sector - it's all money flowing here from elsewhere. Unless it forces the unemployed into work in the exporting sectors of course.
There's a long tradition of believing that number 10 will always pay for ludicrous behaviour here. Why should they?

Golden_Anemone

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Well, I never suggested any such thing. Did anyone else?

Sorry, I wasn't saying you suggested that - though I realise now how it may have seemed that I did. Don't think we disagree too much on this.

My comments were aimed at others who seem to imply that if only there were no public sector workers NI would be fine.

That's nearly as ludicrous as those who think that reducing corporation tax is the magic wand we've all been waiting for to make our wee country prosperous. :rotfl:

warmhands.coldheart

Golden_Anemone wrote: »

.....My comments were aimed at others who seem to imply that if only there were no public sector workers NI would be fine.....

I don't think anyone is saying there should be NO public sector, just a lot less of it especially where it is not required...

saverbuyer

Golden_Anemone wrote: »

My comments were aimed at others who seem to imply that if only there were no public sector workers NI would be fine.

No one is suggesting that. Why, when anyone talks about reducing our massive non-productive public sector, do people always come out with all or nothing arguments? No one is implying we should get rid of it altogether, just reduce it to a more suitable size.

steveymp

saverbuyer wrote: »

No one is suggesting that. Why, when anyone talks about reducing our massive non-productive public sector, do people always come out with all or nothing arguments? No one is implying we should get rid of it altogether, just reduce it to a more suitable size.

100% agreed here, and I am a Health Sector employee

Hopefully the Councils will be next when all "Super Councils" are up and running.

We still have massive wastage in Health however, coalface needs investment and 'Jobs for the Boys or indeed Girls' in middle management need massively rationalised This will NOT happen however as all these decisions are made internally at present, it would be like turkeys voting for christmas:o

warmhands.coldheart

steveymp wrote: »

100% agreed here, and I am a Health Sector employee

Hopefully the Councils will be next when all "Super Councils" are up and running.

We still have massive wastage in Health however, coalface needs investment and 'Jobs for the Boys or indeed Girls' in middle management need massively rationalised This will NOT happen however as all these decisions are made internally at present, it would be like turkeys voting for christmas:o

SIL works in the Health service Stevey and she says the exact same thing..... lots of managers shuffling around passing paperwork from one person to the other and nothing really seems to get done by them.........

Does the health service have a Staff to Manager quota a bit like daycare???? you know.... must be a manager for every 2 or 3 staff? .....