Trickle Vents - No FENSA

leveller2911

cajef wrote: »

Not easy leaving windows open when you go out when you live in a bungalow , it is an open invitation to anyone with a bit of robbery in mind.

You can buy casement fasteners which have a "night vent" locking on them so although they are open to vent the room the fastener is still locked and they are approved by the insurance companies.

A window doesn't have to be left open all day long to air the room.

leveller2911

cajef wrote: »

Not easy leaving windows open when you go out when you live in a bungalow , it is an open invitation to anyone with a bit of robbery in mind.

You can buy casement fasteners which have a "night vent" locking on them so although they are open to vent the room the fastener is still locked and they are approved by the insurance companies.

A window doesn't have to be left open all day long to air the room.Finally common sense has prevailed with Building regs and they have finally worked out that they are not needed.

penguine

cajef wrote: »

A bit drastic replacing all the windows when the installer has offered to fit trickle vents if the OP wants them.

Except that the OP's post says if the installers add trickle vents to the already installed windows, they still won't get the FENSA certificate.

wallbash

they still won't get the FENSA certificate.

Also sold two houses recently, post# 9. No one has ever refused to buy a house which hasn't got a Fensa Cert.
Paper pusher 'has ' to make a fuss......the actual buyer ,never.

Furts

leveller2911 wrote: »

Its not often we disagree Furts but ..........I don't agree.:D

For Centuries people have "aired" their houses by opening the windows, it worked then and still works today. With regards to bathrooms etc you can't beat machanical extraction.

Trickle vents look pants too...

I am suggesting that the problem today for many people is that they do not open their windows, they do not underatsnd the centuries old tradition of airing houses, they do not understand air quality, they do not understand volumes of air change per hour (if we are to get a bit more technical and pedantic!)

Instead there are numerous people complaining about condensation who have to be guided to understanding an answer.

Trickle vents were conceived by scientists, engineers, surveyors and the government as a way to assist people to overcome their ignorance. Rather blunt but true!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so do they look pants? I accept that if people want sleek, minimalist facades then you are spot on. But for most people with white pvc windows and white trickle vents set in the heads of the sashes the appearance is acceptable.

I am largely in agreement with you. However you too are swimming against the tide if you expect people to air their houises after waking up!

Furts

leveller2911 wrote: »

You can buy casement fasteners which have a "night vent" locking on them so although they are open to vent the room the fastener is still locked and they are approved by the insurance companies.

A window doesn't have to be left open all day long to air the room.Finally common sense has prevailed with Building regs and they have finally worked out that they are not needed.

Once again you are spot on with the night vents. I would advice everyone to have these. I have them in conjunction with trickle vents so I practice what I preach!

Now for the rub...how many people on buying, or renting, a home walk into the room for the first time and say "Oh goody there are night vent catches fitted to my windows!"

People are less aware of night vents than they are of trickle vents. Hence all the boffins and the government recognised that out of sight was out of mind. They collectively changed the Building Regulations and introduced trickle vents - at least people know that they are there. Whether they use them is another matter!

generationgav

leveller2911 wrote: »

You can buy casement fasteners which have a "night vent" locking on them so although they are open to vent the room the fastener is still locked and they are approved by the insurance companies.

Our old windows had trickle vents - but no night catches. Our new windows have night catches which we've started using.

Jonesya wrote: »

The big one for me is that they let lots of noise in, even when closed the sound insulation is appalling. One of the joys of good double glazing is being able to shut out noise, so why would you throw that away with a trickle vent?

I don't doubt that if you get a top quality accoustically damped trickle vent it's fine but they're few and far between, most windows come with a basic vent.

That's our biggest concern about having them fitted, and you know they won't fit top quality ones at their own cost TBH. Our bedroom is on a bit of a main road and has been so much better with the new glazing.

penguine wrote: »

Except that the OP's post says if the installers add trickle vents to the already installed windows, they still won't get the FENSA certificate.

Sorry if there's any confusion; they certainly can add trickle vents to the existing windows, as long as they're done and we get a re-inspection within 3 months.

Furts

Jonesya wrote: »

I'm sorry but it's not the users who are the problem but the design and implementation of trickle vents - they are awful.

On a lot of windows they are at the top of the frame so if you have inset blinds you can't access them.

I agree with this observation, but with a proviso. Over the years many people have ordered replacement windows and allowed, or requested, trickle vents to be fitted in the heads of the frames.

This location been recognised as a foolish decision from the moment trickle vents started being fitted around 25-30 years ago. Consequently, there has been ample time, and opportunity, for most people to have the trickle vents fitted in the heads of the sashes.

To refer to inset blinds is bizarre - the windows were there first, so if blinds cannot be accomodated do not fit them!