Students renting - help to questions pls

ed1su

fairy_lights wrote: »

So the agency asked the tenants father to fake the guarantors signature on the tenancy agreement? why on earth did he go along with it? :eek:

They went along so their child could get accommodation... The father already written a witness statement which has been sent to court as well as letting agencies....

Letting agencies won't say who signed the contract but already admitted in an e-mail after 11.months the guarantor couldn't attend to sign the contract. This was only after information commission been informed that they refusing to supply documents under the data protection act

cathy36

Ohhhh now I don't know what to do :mad:. My son has put me down on the form on email and sent it through to llord, they are meeting with him tonight to sign their tenancy paperwork but don't know what happens from now. I'm scared that if I refuse to guarantor him the llord won't let him move in. I'm certainly not giving him any of my bank details etc and not paying for credit checks. HELPPPPP

agrinnall

Post content deleted on the advice of my legal eagles, Sue, Grabbit and Run .

ed1su

in the case above the guarantor didn't pay the fees. He filled out applications for guarantor referencing form which he filled all his details because for credit cheque...

Then decided not to go to signing of contract.. at this stage had no contact with letting agencies until Jan 2014 when he was emailed that tenant owes rent for 2nd semester and as a guarantor you are liable..

In this case rent is 2k the guarantor can afford it but since he didn't sign the contract and it seemed it was forged. Letting agencies have admitted that guarantor wasn't there. Until the guarantor sees the contract he can't confirmed it was forged...

cathy36 wrote: »

Ohhhh now I don't know what to do :mad:. My son has put me down on the form on email and sent it through to llord, they are meeting with him tonight to sign their tenancy paperwork but don't know what happens from now. I'm scared that if I refuse to guarantor him the llord won't let him move in. I'm certainly not giving him any of my bank details etc and not paying for credit checks. HELPPPPP

LateStarter

cathy36 wrote: »

Ohhhh now I don't know what to do :mad:. My son has put me down on the form on email and sent it through to llord, they are meeting with him tonight to sign their tenancy paperwork but don't know what happens from now. I'm scared that if I refuse to guarantor him the llord won't let him move in. I'm certainly not giving him any of my bank details etc and not paying for credit checks. HELPPPPP

Sorry but are you over-reacting just a bit? Being a guarantor seems to be something most parents do for their children in University. Nobody can tell what you relationship with him is like, and this is a big part of what approach you take. If possible, have an adult conversation with him, explain the risk you're taking, and his responsibilty to you. How much you trust his responses will go a long way to telling you what to do, especially if money is tight.

But he's your son - who else is he meant to turn to?

Lily-Rose_3

agrinnall wrote: »

I suggest you look at my post more carefully before saying that I'm so stupid that I would recommend someone else to remove identification details from their own post and not do the same in my own. Your apology will be gratefully (although perhaps not quite so gracefully) received.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Are you being serious???

I don't know what's funnier: your bizarre and ludicrous over-reaction to my post, and your accusation that I called you stupid (which I did NOT!) I simply said 'hey agrinnall, don't forget to remove Cathy's link from your post too...'

OR that fact that you said 'I am not so stupid that I recommend someone removes a link and then fail to remove it from my own post!' And then you go and leave it in your post anyway! (YOUR POST NO 5.)

agrinnall wrote: »

All you've done there is post a completely unusable attempt at a link along with names that may identify you and/or your son. I'd delete it if I were you.

Priceless. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

*I* have obviously cut out Cathy's link!!! But it is still there on your post No. 5 (as at 12.31 am on 29th January 2015.)

Oh, and if you are thinking of removing the link and pretending that it was removed shortly after you put it, don't bother, because it will show that the post was edited, and the time it was done.

At the moment, your post (number 5) is showing that it was posted at 3.20pm on 28th Jan, and it has not been edited, and Cathy's link is still there. So don't try and pull the wool over my eyes by slyly removing the link and pretending you did it just after you posted it or something. Just admit you are wrong. I would if *I* was wrong. But I'm not.

Oh I find it most bizarre that you are demanding an apology! I have absolutely no reason to give one.

Consequently you will most definitely NOT be getting one.

And for goodness sake: remove Cathy's link from your post. (No. 5) I mean, fancy telling her to remove her info, and then keeping the info from her post in YOUR post!

Whhhoooops

I shall be sitting here waiting for an apology from YOU now, for accusing me of something I didn't do, and an admittance of YOUR error.

Nighty night. :j

anselld

Lily-Rose wrote: »

*I* have obviously cut out Cathy's link!!! But it is still there on your post No. 5 (as at 12.31 am on 29th January 2015.)

Have you read it though? Presumably Cathy hasn't named her son "xxx" !

Probably better stop digging now

Pixie5740

cathy36 wrote: »

Ohhhh now I don't know what to do :mad:. My son has put me down on the form on email and sent it through to llord, they are meeting with him tonight to sign their tenancy paperwork but don't know what happens from now. I'm scared that if I refuse to guarantor him the llord won't let him move in. I'm certainly not giving him any of my bank details etc and not paying for credit checks. HELPPPPP

The whole point of having a guarantor is that the guarantor is providing a guarantee that the rent will be paid. How can the LL have any confidence that you are in a financial position to cover the rent if he doesn't do any checks on you? It would be very silly of the landlord not to carry out any checks on the guarantors.

However, for the guarantor to mean anything you would need to be shown a copy of the tenancy agreement and then be asked to sign a Deed of Guarantee and your signature witnessed. This hasn't happened yet so at this stage, legally, you've guaranteed nothing yet.

I find it strange that your son has been asked to sign the tenancy agreement before the LL has sorted out the guarantors because now a contract exists between the tenants and the landlord.

Perhaps your son has one of those landlords who thinks there are guarantors in place but when push comes to shove, without a correctly executed Deed of Guarantee, having guarantors will mean diddly squat.

anselld

Pixie5740 wrote: »

I find it strange that your son has been asked to sign the tenancy agreement before the LL has sorted out the guarantors because now a contract exists between the tenants and the landlord.

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AFAIK this is the correct sequence. The tenancy contract must exist (and be seen by Guarantor) before the guarantor deed is signed.

Pixie5740

anselld wrote: »

AFAIK this is the correct sequence. The tenancy contract must exist (and be seen by Guarantor) before the guarantor deed is signed.

Yes but so far the LL has done zero checks on the guarantors so has no idea if they're in a position to provide any guarantee. What if the guarantors fail the checks? It's too late now because a contract exists between the tenants and landlord.

Surely it would make sense to carry out checks on both the tenants and guarantors and then get the tenancy agreement signed and then tne deeds of guarantee.