Anyone bought a Grade 2 listed house?

leveller2911

AdrianC wrote: »

There y'go. The problem isn't the repair - the problem is that the repair's done badly.

Get somebody specialist and competent to do it and it WILL last just as well as the original window or a properly-built replacement.

There are no such people as "sash window specialists". The people who make sash windows are the ones who know what they are talking about and not some general handyman with a router and some draught excluders. Sash windows have been around since around 1580 ish and there were no "specialists" they were called "Joiners" and to this day they are still called "Joiners". This "sash window specialists" label is marketing twaddle designed to give the impression they are the only ones who have the expertise to do the work.

You don't seem to understand timber and the problems associated with expansion and contraction.This is especially problematic when people splice repair windows. The next worse thing is resin repair systems where half the window ends up being resin rather than timber.

I have over 25 years experience of making Joinery and working on Grade I & II Listed properties so I know more than the average Joe.

Most "sash window specialists" marketing is very good but that is all it is, marketing. When it comes to renovating sash windows they charge a huge premium for basic work. Things such as charging upwards of £60-00 to replace a small pane of glass , when any carpenter,glazier or competant handyman can do the job in around 30 minutes and the glass cost is around £5-00. Overhauling a sash window ,including re-weighting,cording,replacing part beads and draught proofing is around 4hrs work. The majority of these companies charge anywhere from £300-£450 per window. I've seen far too many sash windows "renovated" by specialists , only for them to need totally replacing within 5 years.

At least we can agree on replacements being traditional and contempory to the building.
Its my opinion based on experience and its up to people to make their own choice.

owitemisermusa

leveller2911 wrote: »

There are no such people as "sash window specialists". The people who make sash windows are the ones who know what they are talking about and not some general handyman with a router and some draught excluders. Sash windows have been around since around 1580 ish and there were no "specialists" they were called "Joiners" and to this day they are still called "Joiners". This "sash window specialists" label is marketing twaddle designed to give the impression they are the only ones who have the expertise to do the work.

You don't seem to understand timber and the problems associated with expansion and contraction.This is especially problematic when people splice repair windows. The next worse thing is resin repair systems where half the window ends up being resin rather than timber.

I have over 25 years experience of making Joinery and working on Grade I & II Listed properties so I know more than the average Joe.

Most "sash window specialists" marketing is very good but that is all it is, marketing. When it comes to renovating sash windows they charge a huge premium for basic work. Things such as charging upwards of £60-00 to replace a small pane of glass , when any carpenter,glazier or competant handyman can do the job in around 30 minutes and the glass cost is around £5-00. Overhauling a sash window ,including re-weighting,cording,replacing part beads and draught proofing is around 4hrs work. The majority of these companies charge anywhere from £300-£450 per window. I've seen far too many sash windows "renovated" by specialists , only for them to need totally replacing within 5 years.

At least we can agree on replacements being traditional and contempory to the building.
Its my opinion based on experience and its up to people to make their own choice.

Shameless bump!

leveller, how much do you think is reasonable to charge to refurbish and draughtproof a sash window? 300-450 is cheap according to the quotes I've seen!

There are several things I would like to ask but there are so many dg threads that I'm not sure another one wouldn't clog the board...