PCN Theory and Questions for the experts

jimmo2085

Hi,

Firstly, I have read the Newbee sticky and found it very helpful.

I have received a PCN from JD parking consultants and feel very confident in successfully appealing.

By way of background, I live (and own) an apartment with a parking management in force, in which if you don't display your permit you are landed with a ticketed PCN with the usual discount of £60 if you pay early.

As a homeowner I find this very annoying having to put a silly permit on my dashboard everytime I come home, furthermore this was only introduced this year and I lived here for 5 years.

my question to dedicated experts on this forums is as follows:

1) Can they ticket you more than once? If I simply leave the PCN on my car can they do me again and again?

2) Given that I have a permit and don't want to use it, should I simply not bother with it and receive a ticket every time they come round in the vain hope they leave me alone if I successfully appeal them once?

I really hate having to remember to put a permit on my dash to announce I'm parked in my own parking space, my fear is I could be lambasted with tickets daily if I don't!

Many Thanks,

Tom

bod1467

Who introduced the parking scheme? Did you receive information about it and agree to it?

bazster

1. Yes

2. If you don't accept the scheme don't go along with it by displaying a permit. It might take more than one appeal but since it costs them £27 every time it goes to PoPLA they'll get fed up sooner rather than later - and each appeal is just a cut-and-paste job for you!

Tell your neighbours too.

ManxRed

Does the parking space fall under the lease of your apartment? If so, what does the lease say about having to display a permit? Does the lease mention the right to peaceful enjoyment of the property?

You can either:

1. Tell the Management Company to f*ck *ff, and if JD trespass on your space again you'll sue the management company for trespass and harassment.

2. Get loads of tickets, appeal them all to POPLA, and cost JD £27 a time. They'll soon get fed up with it. You should do this for any existing tickets anyway.

Marktheshark

Agree read your lease and if it makes no mention you might want to ask them why they think they can tun a profit making business on land you own.

Guys_Dad

The PPC has the capability of taking you to court. If the Beavis case goes the wrong way, stand by for an increase in court cases.

You might win. If you didn't, have you the financial resources to pay multiple court awards?

There is one thing about fighting a ticket issued when you forget to display it. It is another thing altogether to expose yourself to the risk of multiple tickets being upheld in court.

Personally, I wouldn't take the risk. Others, possibly more cavalier and not risking their own cash, might disagree.

Umkomaas

Tell the Management Company that they should instruct the PPC to create a 'white list' of residents' vehicles then no resident, in whose interests the MC should be acting, has the hassle of dealing with permits and, even more so, the crup that emanates after a PPC visitation.

Ask the MC whether they are in receipt of any 'kick back' from the PPC.

bazster

Guys_Dad wrote: »

The PPC has the capability of taking you to court. If the Beavis case goes the wrong way, stand by for an increase in court cases.

You might win. If you didn't, have you the financial resources to pay multiple court awards?

There is one thing about fighting a ticket issued when you forget to display it. It is another thing altogether to expose yourself to the risk of multiple tickets being upheld in court.

Personally, I wouldn't take the risk. Others, possibly more cavalier and not risking their own cash, might disagree.

GD, you seem to be on a trajectory of craven spinelessness which, one day soon, will see you advising people to simply pay these bullies.

jimmo2085

bod1467 wrote: »

Who introduced the parking scheme? Did you receive information about it and agree to it?

I received information from the MC when they introduced it as they effectively introduced JD as the the parking !!!!!, however never agreed to it.

jimmo2085

ManxRed wrote: »

Does the parking space fall under the lease of your apartment? If so, what does the lease say about having to display a permit? Does the lease mention the right to peaceful enjoyment of the property?

You can either:

1. Tell the Management Company to f*ck *ff, and if JD trespass on your space again you'll sue the management company for trespass and harassment.

2. Get loads of tickets, appeal them all to POPLA, and cost JD £27 a time. They'll soon get fed up with it. You should do this for any existing tickets anyway.

Yes the space falls under the lease of my apartment however it wouldn't mention you have to display a permit, given it was only introduced this year and I bought 5 years ago.

I think I'll do your points 1 & maybe 2, thanks!

ManxRed

Dear Management Company,

I hereby withdraw all implied access to the parking space [identify space] to you, your employees, agents, and subcontractors (including, but not limited to JD Parking Consultants). Any further incursion onto this land without my prior express written permission (including for the purposes of affixing speculative parking invoices to any vehicle parked in this space) will be deemed as trespass and legal action may be taken against you accordingly.

Yours,

Xxx

You should then take the permit out of your car. You should also appeal any existing tickets as per the NEWBIE thread.