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Dave Smith Bpa - 'fines are not legally enforceable'

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just listend to an interview on Bbc three counties radio where Dave smith stated that 'fines' are not fair in some circumstances and are not legally enforceable.

It will be on the listen again in a little while, will post the link.
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  • bargepole
    bargepole Posts: 3,237 Forumite
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    I was interviewed first, at about 7:20am, and gave examples of people spending hundreds of ££££s in a retail park, and then being hit with a £100 charge for being over the 2 hour limit.


    I also managed to get in that motorists should appeal to POPLA on the grounds that the charge is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss, which will get the charge cancelled virtually every time.


    Then the hapless Dave Smith from the BPA came on, clearly lacking the media skills of Patrick Troy, and the presenter in a Paxman-like interrogation, got him to admit that the 'fines' were unfair, and not legally enforceable.


    Pure comedy gold.


    This will be on iPlayer some time after the programme finishes at 9am, will post link later.

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
  • trisontana
    trisontana Posts: 9,472 Forumite
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    edited 19 January 2015 at 10:14AM
    On the subject of BPA publicity, I notice that their infamous "Monday Musing" hasn't been published since December 23rd. Were they getting a bit cheesed of by the many comments which went against the party line? As usual with Bovine-excrement Purveyor's Association, the truth is something they can't handle.
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
  • hoohoo
    hoohoo Posts: 1,717 Forumite
    trisontana wrote: »
    On the subject of BPA publicity, I notice that their infamous "Monday Musing" hasn't been published since December 23rd. Where they getting a bit cheesed of by the many comments which went against the party line? As usual with Bovine-excrement Purveyor's Association, the truth is something they can't handle.

    I think it was more a case of the personal attack comments.
    Dedicated to driving up standards in parking
  • bargepole
    bargepole Posts: 3,237 Forumite
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    The programme now on iPlayer - parking item starts about 1:16:30 in, and lasts about 10 minutes:


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02ghk7d

    I have been providing assistance, including Lay Representation at Court hearings (current score: won 57, lost 14), to defendants in parking cases for over 5 years. I have an LLB (Hons) degree, and have a Graduate Diploma in Civil Litigation from CILEx. However, any advice given on these forums by me is NOT formal legal advice, and I accept no liability for its accuracy.
  • wiogs
    wiogs Posts: 2,744 Forumite
    edited 19 January 2015 at 10:45AM
    Seems to start at 1:04:04

    EDIT - that seems to be an earlier caller prior to the main "debate"
  • wiogs
    wiogs Posts: 2,744 Forumite
    Love the "they give you an hour and a half or even 90 minutes" - made me laugh
  • wiogs
    wiogs Posts: 2,744 Forumite
    Shame the idiot presenter on that programme doesn't understand what the word "fine" means.
  • I wonder if BPA Ltd HQ has a 'naughty step' and if so, is anyone currently standing on it.
    :j
  • trisontana
    trisontana Posts: 9,472 Forumite
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    Mr Smith is only agreeing with his boss Patrick Troy who several years ago stated in front of a House of Commons Committee that these fake fines are unenforceable.
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
  • wiogs wrote: »
    Shame the idiot presenter on that programme doesn't understand what the word "fine" means.
    I think you're wrong on this, he was obviously clued up about typical PPC behavoiur and properly took the BPA representative to task.

    I think the use of the word "fine" was deliberate because that is still how Joe public understand speculative invoices.

    Well done to Bargepole, I don't think BPA Ltd. will be putting Dave Smith up for any more interviews.
    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797).
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