Cant afford to pay apprentice

Drunk_Monkey

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

what he wants and what he gets are two different things...

Talking is far better than head in the sand approach and if the monies are paid eventually via a payment plan then this is a good thing

The word “talk” here is a euphemism. It translates as a way in which you get me to concede something to you. But I am in the right. I undertook my side of the employment agreement, and now I’m expected to carry your failures. I think there’s something insulting there, and I’ve spent enough time having people off-loading their problems on to me.

I would have written to the OP demanding full payment to my account, and then failing that, I would have submitted my case (P45, wage slips, and bank statements all sent) to the employment tribunal. I would then await their decision. If I’m still not paid, I would then apply for an order to allow the enforcement of the decision. I can then claim the cost of enforcing that judgment while the interest is allowed to accrue on the debt.

Takeaway_Addict

Drunk_Monkey wrote: »

The word “talk” here is a euphemism. It translates as a way in which you get me to concede something to you. But I am in the right. I undertook my side of the employment agreement, and now I’m expected to carry your failures. I think there’s something insulting there, and I’ve spent enough time having people off-loading their problems on to me.

I would have written to the OP demanding full payment to my account, and then failing that, I would have submitted my case (P45, wage slips, and bank statements all sent) to the employment tribunal. I would then await their decision. If I’m still not paid, I would then apply for an order to allow the enforcement of the decision. I can then claim the cost of enforcing that judgment while the interest is allowed to accrue on the debt.

Then you would have been silly as you would be paying fees that were not recoverable and would have taken a large % of the award.
As the claim is factual a small claims court would have been alot cheaper and effective but ultimately if the person the claim is made against has no money how exactly will you get said money?

Thus, talking and arranging a payment plan first is a far more sensible option for all involved.

Drunk_Monkey

GrumpyPL wrote: »

It's a polite way to try and fix things with somebody whom clearly does deserve to be paid the money he's owed. I'm not disputing that - read my post properly and you'll realize.

He wants to get paid - OP cannot pay him, so the only clear way to fix this is for some arrangement to be made for payment to come in stages... I know I'd rather be paid £50/month and have that agreement in writing than take it to court knowing full well they'd make a silly judgement like £3/week.

I would find the offer of a cup of tea by someone who won't pay me my wages a bit condescending & certainly insulting.

You obviously see this differently to me.

lazer

OP - has your husband completed his tax return for 2013/14 as it is due by the end of January.


Many self employed construction workers get rebates (due to paying tax on turnover through CIS during the year and not getting the personal allowance).


Is your husband possibly in line for a rebate, which could be used to pay the apprentice? or will he owe tax, which I'm sure you will have difficulty paying.


As apprentices get paid so little, it is very important that they get paid on time, I know a few employers who thought it was ok to pay the apprentice on time and could be a few weeks late paying the £100 odd quid a week, and therefore his apprentices were late with car payments, rent or whatever. I know some that ate nothing but lidl noodles for a week as they hadn't been paid.


If I owed an apprentice money I would find a way to pay it.


Do you have a TV, smart phone, spare room or even car or van, or some of your husbands tools you could sell on gumtree to make the money?

asajj

Can people stop arguing as it doesn't take the argument anywhere.

Rhia242 - I think the best would be try to arrange to talk to him and set up a plan. Let's say £100 a month.

Also have you ever tried to contact Citizen Advice Bureau? It is a good charity and I'm sure they could give you some insight.

You said you arranged to work with your sister - how much do you think this would save you? Perhaps you can pay it off in 2 installments or something.

Rhia242

So, this was my first time ever posting on this site and am sure it will be my last. I didn't expect to be so condemned and judged so roundly. Thank you for those who gave me advice.

Rhia242

Just to set the record straight, when we were told that his salary had to go up to £845, even though he was just starting his second year of his apprenticeship, we told him that we couldn't afford to keep him on. He begged us to keep going and said he didn't need or want the additional £500. We explained that it was a legal requirement to pay him it and afgreed to keep going for a few months. The idea was that he and my husband would pull all of the stops out to try and make enough money to pay him. But there were lots of things he didn't want to do and it the sales just never improved. In fact he became even flakier. But he has some issues so we cut him a lot of slack. He lives with his parents and we explained the situation to them and they were all in favour of him keeping going. So everyone knew the situation. When we made him redundant he was still desperate to keep working for us and offered to work for nothing, which we just couldn't accept. So ?I don't feel that we screwed him over.

glentoran99

Rhia242 wrote: »

So, this was my first time ever posting on this site and am sure it will be my last. I didn't expect to be so condemned and judged so roundly. Thank you for those who gave me advice.

Im not so sure you have been condemned, not sure what you expected other than honest opinions, thats why internet forums are good you get honest advice without people being afraid of offending

As for the money no matter the issues you agreed to pay the guy, if there was issues that meant you shouldnt then they should have been dealt with long before now.

Tixy

I would agree with seeking some advice.

Is this your only debt? It may be worth contacting business debtline or as someone else has suggested citizens advice. https://www.businessdebtline.org/
Does the business have any assets at all? van, tools / equipment etc?

Ideally do try to come to an arrangement plan with him at a rate you can afford.

helzyb

Hi
I think a repayment plan would work best if you can get together 50 quid as a first payment and then increase when you move. Maybe you can sell some bits DVDs etc to help x